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ringo
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Message 400 of 591 (792717)
10-13-2016 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by NoNukes
10-13-2016 12:53 PM


Re: Objectivity and Subjectivity
NoNukes writes:
Do you believe you can make the case that Einstein's theory of gravitation was non objective at the time when he had not convinced his peers to accept it?
Did he ever run it past his colleagues? Would he have claimed his process was objective without running it past his colleagues?
NoNukes writes:
Consensus comes after the process has worked.
Science is a continuous process. There is no "after".
Consensus is part of the process. "Test your hypothesis" includes peer review.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 405 of 591 (792923)
10-15-2016 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
10-14-2016 7:00 PM


Re: Objectivity and Subjectivity
Phat writes:
If I believe something, I may always question my understanding of it, but i won't doubt it.
You should.
If you were honest with yourself, I bet you really do have doubts about your beliefs. But you've been told that you shouldn't so you try to convince yourself that you don't.
Phat writes:
The problem with a lot of you is that you have believed lies about what the Bible is, what it says, and even who wrote it.
How many times have I and others pointed out to you what the Bible says, as opposed to what you've been told the Bible says? YOU are the one who has believed lies about what the Bible says. You also conveniently ignore the bits that you don't like.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 425 of 591 (811680)
06-10-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
06-10-2017 12:10 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
I maintain that worship (extreme veneration and respect) of nature itself will undo us.
What do you call "extreme"?
I see scientists saying, "I wonder how that works." And I see environmentalists saying, "Maybe we shouldn't make such a mess in our back yard." Is that what you call "extreme"?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 431 of 591 (811748)
06-11-2017 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Phat
06-10-2017 1:47 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Extreme would be to deny global warming and instead accepting "alternative facts" which won't hold a candle to water.
That isn't what you said. You were talking about the worship of nature itself, as if that's what non-believers do. Global-warming denial is the opposite of that.
Phat writes:
Alternative explanations for science (on the creationism side) and alternative explanations for God (which one? rabbitt? Ganesha? Loki?) on the science side are both extreme.
What's extreme about alternate explanations for God?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 434 of 591 (812202)
06-15-2017 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 432 by Phat
06-15-2017 9:50 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Critics would say that they see no advantage to the original and see it as one of many alternatives.
I call BS on them. They know darn well what they are attempting to do.
I call BS on you. You DO NOT know what I am attempting to do. Or maybe you do know and you're deliberately misrepresenting me.
I have told you that I wish there was a God. I am predisposed to believing in God. But the god you market is implausible and the means you use to market him are dishonest.
STOP telling me that I have ulterior motives.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 441 of 591 (812953)
06-21-2017 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Phat
06-21-2017 10:25 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Why is He NOT plausible?
You wont "discover" Him.
You answered you own question. A real god would have no reason to hide. But the proponents of a fake god have every reason to pretend he's hiding.
Phat writes:
What beef would you have with Him?
I have a beef with anybody who threatens me.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 458 of 591 (813047)
06-22-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 444 by Phat
06-22-2017 3:42 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Some day you will have no beef. There will be no threat. The goats go their way and the sheep go theirs. And you will be at peace
How is that not a threat? The goats are cursed into everlasting fire.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 459 of 591 (813049)
06-22-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by Phat
06-22-2017 10:12 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
You and ringo seem to prefer that IF GOD exists that He simply leave you alone.
I, on the other hand, prefer that IF He exists, then He surely wants to help me and guide me.
That's not a very good marketing strategy, trying to sell us what YOU want.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 462 of 591 (813052)
06-22-2017 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 460 by Phat
06-22-2017 11:46 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Im just trying to convince you that you need the product.
But you're trying to convince me to buy a product that YOU need. You're trying to sell me mud-flaps when I don't have a car.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 464 of 591 (813054)
06-22-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 461 by Phat
06-22-2017 11:48 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Critics would say that the goats cursed themselves.
Idiots would say that.
Phat writes:
Don't tell me you are defending the goats now!
Of course I am. How do I know I'm not going to be a goat?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 466 of 591 (813220)
06-24-2017 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Phat
06-24-2017 10:53 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Also stay as far from religion as you can. They breed goats.
That's what I'm saying: Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 469 of 591 (814348)
07-07-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 468 by Phat
07-06-2017 2:03 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Don't buy this nonsense that everlasting torment is your own fault.
I suppose you would blame God.
Be honest with yourself. If somebody left a loaded gun in a crowded playground and children got hurt, who would you blame?
You'd blame the one who caused the problem, wouldn't you? You'd scoff at the idea that the children "chose" to be harmed, wouldn't you?
So why would you give your "loving", omniscient God a free pass?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 472 of 591 (814351)
07-07-2017 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 471 by Phat
07-07-2017 11:49 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Hell, if hell exists was never created for fallen humanity nor innocent children. You gotta work to get there.
The "fall" itself is evidence of guilt. God doomed every subsequent generation of humans to atone for Adam and Eve's "sin".

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 488 of 591 (824020)
11-21-2017 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by Phat
11-21-2017 8:04 AM


Re: Jesus as Mythos
Phat writes:
In conclusion, the only evidence that we have of Jesus Christ is the behavior and actions of his followers.
That doesn't make any sense. The behaviour of Christians can not be distinguished from the behaviour of atheists. If the behaviour of Christians was evidence of Christ, wouldn't the behaviour of atheists be evidence that there is no God?
No. It seems clear that behaviour is not evidence for beliefs.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 493 of 591 (824083)
11-22-2017 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Phat
11-21-2017 8:12 PM


Re: Jesus as Mythos
Phat writes:
The behavior of any human may well be evidence of some external influence.
We are all the product of external influences. The point is that there is no distinguishable difference between those who think they are influenced by "God" and those who think they are not. So again, behaviour is not evidence of belief.

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