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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Dredge writes: One of his whacko notions of "justice" is to forcibly take money from those who have it and give it to those who don't - this is nothing but THEFT, socialist-style. I don't know much about Pope Francis.Can you give me an example of this behavior so I could judge it for myself? He is no doubt well-meaning, but like most Marxists, he's an idealistic dreamer who worships an unattainable fantasy called equality. Let's take this sentence away from Pope Francis. Perhaps the Pope has some very strange ideas of what 'equality' means. Okay.But really, if you're representing Christianity... what, specifically, do you have against equality, as it's supposed to mean? I would have thought that Christians would be behind a valid message of equality. The equality I'm talking about is treating people as equals, and giving each person an equal level of respect. Until a person decides to hurt another... then screw 'em! ... ...or something along those lines.
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The Antichrist, if such a thing existed, would undoubtedly be a conservative Christian and conservative Christians would flock to follow him. I'm still betting on Ronald Reagan when he rises from the dead.
Faith seems to think Pope Francis is a potential antichrist and so do some of my conservative church friends.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
The issue of the government taxing the people based on democratic decisions of the majority is no different than putting up borders based on the votes of the majority.
Government imposed policy that we all must live by is reality. Do you feel that individuals should have the right to opt out of paying their share of the $1 trillion in military and security bills in our budget? Can you allow for a "private sector" solution to immigration? Let us private individuals decide to immigrate if we do choose and the government should butt out? The Pope rules in Italy. I don't see evidence of the modern papacy forcing anything today. The pre 20th century was another matter. The papacy was about controlling the world (if possible ) plus it owned lots of stolen land all over Europe (claims of DONATIONS via Constantine were known to be based on forged fraudulent texts )
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LNA writes: The Pope rules in Italy. The Pope rules in Vatican City. The Pope has no temporal authority anywhere else in the world.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
This ruling in Italy comment wasn't to say that Italy is ruled. ( I meant that Vatican City is located within Italy ) The Papal States fell by 1870 for ever.
My point is that the Pope would probably support a democratic government in the United States which implemented a policy that sends dollars to children instead of the military. The example would be an alternative to the Congressional budget that proposes increasing the military budget $72.5 a year. The same amount can give $100 a month to every single child. ( I know that I just read that $190 billion a year would be the amount needed to give every pre 18 person in the United States $250 a month or $225) Medicaid cost the federal government $368 billion in 2016, which was an amount less than what the Bush tax cuts cost us in 2016. About $100 billion less and it would be over $130 billion less if changes weren't made in January 2013 . Democracy ( advocacy of policy ) is "force" but Papal tyranny in the past is just fine I guess. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Sorry but I have absolutely no idea what your post has to do with the topic.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 739 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
Did you read the OP?
Government policy toward the poor was described as part of the mission. Health care was indeed a part of the quotes of the Pope in the OP. EDIT --- A poster said a critical note about the Pope insisting that the government should cover the costs of poor people who have needs. The word was "force" when taxation was in mind. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Stile writes:
Equality can be used for good or for evil. Communism, feminism and gay rights are examples of the latter. what, specifically, do you have against equality, as it's supposed to mean? I would have thought that Christians would be behind a valid message of equality. When the devil comes along, speaking in the name of equality, who can oppose him? Ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
I doubt it. Imo, the Antichrist will support homosexuality, feminism, abortion, evolution, anthropological climate-change and be anti-semitic.
The Antichrist, if such a thing existed, would undoubtedly be a conservative Christian and conservative Christians would flock to follow him.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Equality can be used for good or for evil. Communism, feminism and gay rights are examples of the latter. You are opposed to equal rights for men and women? I knew about the gay thing. You oppose workers having equal rights because it leads to communism? Nice couple of posts brother. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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ringo Member (Idle past 413 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Homosexuality? Condemned in the OLD testament, yes. But Jesus sat down with publicans and sinners; it was the Pharisees, like you, who condemned Him for that. Imo, the Antichrist will support homosexuality, feminism, abortion, evolution, anthropological climate-change and be anti-semitic. Feminism? Even Paul said that there is no male or female in Christ. Abortion? Hardly mentioned at all in the Bible - but even the Old Testament considered the unborn child as the father's property, NOT a person. Evolution? It's the truth. Creationism is a lie. No doubt the Father of Lies would support the lie. Anthropological climate change? Now you're really off the deep end. Denial is a blatantly anti-scientific lie. There's no reason to think the Anti-Christ would deny it any more than he would deny a round earth or bacteria. Anti-Semitic? It's the Church that has a history of anti-Semitism.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Dredge writes: Communism, feminism and gay rights are examples of (evil.) Um. No, they're not.
When the devil comes along, speaking in the name of equality, who can oppose him? Those who stand for actual equality.
Ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing? Yes. Someone making statements like my first quote above sound a lot like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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ringo writes: Abortion? Hardly mentioned at all in the Bible - but even the Old Testament considered the unborn child as the father's property, NOT a person. Just getting born was not enough to qualify as personhood. Until the child had lived a full week it was not even named.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
How naive you are; and how easily the masses are deceived. Has history produced a better example of a sheep in wolf's clothing than feminism? I doubt it. Feminism is a replay of what happened to Eve in the Garden - except on a global scale. It's demonic, anti-life poison. You are opposed to,equal rights between men an women? The way things are going, Japan could be the first civilisation that will collapse as a direct result of feminism. Others are bound to follow.
You oppose workers having equal rights because it leads to communism.
Huh? ... nice straw man you've introduced here. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Dredge writes: How naive you are; and how easily the masses are deceived. Has history produced a better example of a sheep in wolf's clothing than feminism? I doubt it. Feminism is a replay of what happened to Eve in the Garden - except on a global scale. It's demonic, anti-life poison.The way things are going, Japan could be the first civilisation that will collapse as a direct result of feminism. Others are bound to follow. Ok, you're officially classified as a whole nut.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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