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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
Faith 
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Message 374 of 381 (814578)
07-10-2017 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by JonF
07-10-2017 8:40 PM


Re: Just another leftist smear campaign
Oooooooh, the typical leftist fake news gambit. Leaving out the part that says just as many Jews oppose it. Just can't stop smearing, can't stop spinning, can't stop making it up, can you?
Having some severe comprehension problems? Tarring a group with the label "cultural Marxism" is a tool of hate.
Oh doesn't that just take the cake?. The Cultural Marxists define everything they oppose as some form of hate, therefore rightly imputing Cultural Marxism to the Frankfurt School is itself a "tool of hate." They've got us coming and going don't they? Oh and it's "tarring" a Cultural Marxist group with the "label" "Cultural Marxist" to rightly identify that group as a Cultural Marxist. Golly gee, could anyone invent a more perfect system for vilifying an opponent than this diabolically convoluted self-defining system? I'm in awestruck admiration of such Machiavellian manipulation.
The neo-Nazis call Jews cultural Marxists. Few Jews are in favor of that.
I wouldn't know, I've never met a neo-Nazi but I've met a lot of Jews and a lot of them are orthodox religious Jews who are politically conservative, and a lot of them are just plain conservatives, or at least neo-conservatives. Perhaps neo-Nazis don't know the difference but I certainly do, especially since many of my family are Jewish. I guess those who ARE racist can find an excuse anywhere, but conservatives as a group are not.
At least there's some tenuous connection between cultural Marxism and Judaism ;Jews originated the basis of the idea. There's no connection to liberals.
Marxism isn't connected to liberalism?
You got it.
That is nuts and a half. First of all, although Marx was ethnically Jewish he grew up in a converted Christian family, he stated anti-Semitic views himself, and some of his ideology derived from a twisted version of Christianity. It is true that many Jews were attracted to Marxism, especially as they understood it to be an antidote to Nazism -- a case of jumping from skillet into fire but anyway. So David Horowitz was one of many American Jews who grew up in a Co9mmunist family, and one of many who recognized how evil it is and repented. Meanwhile a great many orthodox Jews have been objecting to that ethnic Jewish "liberalism" which isn't really liberalism but Leftism.
But that whole train of thought IS Liberalism as it has become since the sixties. Before that it wasn't as tinged with Marxism-Communism but it certainly is now. What we now have is LEFTISM in the place of Liberalism. Liberalism is not necessarily socialist for instance, but now it is, which has to do with the Marxist element.
And who, pray tell, is always accusing conservatives of being racists and islamophobes and so on for defending American security and freedoms?
I call a spade a spade. You have explicitly admitted to homophobia and Islamophobia
Oh isn't that just too clever? Cultural Marxism defines everything for me doesn't it? We must use Marxist PC terms for everything anyone says no matter how false and no matter how they protest. I'm only a "homophobe" or "Islamophobe" in the twisted indoctrinated minds of Leftists. In reality I am a Christian who knows homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage a violation of God's law, without the slightest fear or hatred involved; and a knowledgeable person who knows that Islam is a murderous totalitarian ideology, who sincerely wishes to save people from it, including the Muslims themselves. But Cultural Marxism must define me as something evil, something hateful so they can rule the world without my interference. They may yet succeed but I'm going to keep trying to interfere anyway.
You don't know a spade from a pitchfork.
There are lots of conservatives and liberals who aren't haters like you. Unfortunately the haters are in charge now.
The only haters are the Leftists who keep trying to rub it off on genuine conservatives. And THOSE haters ARE still in charge because they refuse to allow for any other opinion than their own and refuse to allow for a peacefjul transition of power. I've never seen such hate in this world as has been spewing from the Left over the last year, hate they project on their opponents without a cause. They define it, they embody it, they drown the world in it.
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Faith 
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Message 379 of 381 (817616)
08-18-2017 4:20 PM


The Connection Between Marxism and Fascism
The Left strenuously denies that there is any connection between fascism and the Left when it is pointed out that their tactics today are certainly fascist. They keep attributing fascism to the Right.
Well, I didn't know it but there are some pretty direct connections with the Left that it's time we acknowledged:
From Were Hitler and Mussolini Socialists?:
Mussolini’s career as a Socialist agitator began at age eighteen as a writer for various left-wing magazines. By 1905, he had been arrested numerous times in Switzerland, France, and Austria for revolutionary agitation and Italian police had opened a dossier which characterized him as impulsive and violent. Although Fascists and Communists alike were anxious to deny it later, Karl Marx was the biggest single influence on Mussolini and he considered Marx the greatest of all theorists of Socialism. He shared Marx’ opinion on religion and once shocked his audience by daring God to strike him dead.
In 1910, Mussolini was asked by one of the Socialist clubs in Italy to become their political organizer and to edit their small weekly newspaper: La Lotta di Classe (The Class Struggle). For the next two years, with a portrait of Marx hanging on the wall he pounded out radical opinions on every subject under the sun. Catholic priests were black microbes and poisoners of young minds. He described the army as a criminal organization designed to protect capitalism and bourgeois society and urged soldiers to disobey their officers.
Mussolini got his first big break in 1912 when he took over as editor of Avanti!, the official organ of the Italian Socialist Party. Choosing Angelica Balabanoff as his assistant, he quickly rid the paper of the older more moderate writers and eventually more than doubled circulation by aiming at a wider, lower-class readership.
He urged the necessary bloodbath and the physical extermination of the bourgeoisie through which the proletariat would gain a totality of power. He urged neutrality in 1914 and railed against military budgets which might be used in a war against French or German workers: Let us have no more talk of battleships, barracks, cannon, at a time when thousands of villages have no schools, roads, electricity, or doctors, but still live tragically beyond the pale of life. War, thundered Mussolini, is a prelude to revolution!
On October 18, 1914, Mussolini suddenly announced in Avanti! that he had been wrong. Neutrality was wrong! It was not fitting for a great nation like Italy to stand aside while Europe’s destiny was being decided on the battlefield . . . Italy must fight!
Whereas before, Mussolini had threatened the Government with revolution if it abandoned neutrality, he now threatened revolution if it did not.
For this unforgivable heresy, Mussolini was expelled from the Socialist Party and forced to resign his post at Avanti!. A few weeks later he started his own newspaper — Il Popolo d’Italia — and in December, 1914, he joined and eventually dominated a group of pro-war leftists who called themselves Fascisti.
The Fascists were dissident Socialists whose dreams of glory and empire were inflamed by the war and saw a golden opportunity to ‘liberate’ Trieste and Trentino from Austria as well as the prospect of immense booty in the Balkans and Middle East. After the war, the Fascists would be joined by the Arditi, an anti-Communist group who were the Italian equivalent of the German Freikorps.
... And Hitler? It is important to point up the affinity between Communism and Nazism which Hitler himself confirmed:
There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, revolutionary feeling . . . I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the Party at once. The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never be a National Socialist, but the Communist always will.
Former Communists made up almost a third of the SA and, later, the Gestapo, and were popularly known as Beefsteak Nazis - brown on the outside, Red on the inside. After 1945, hundreds of former Nazis joined the Communist Social Unity Party of East Germany.
You could argue that having become a fascist one is no longer a communist and that seems to be the theme of the discussion at the bottom of that page, though I haven't read through it. I rather think once you've spent so much of your life in Communism you'd still think like a Communist even when you switch horses, at least if you are a power-hungry politico like Mussolini and Hitler.
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