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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
ringo
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Message 562 of 1311 (812961)
06-21-2017 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 561 by Faith
06-21-2017 4:35 PM


Re: No, intraspecies variation is not evolution
Faith writes:
... it has to be built into the limits of the genome itself for a particular species.
There is simply no evidence for that. It's all conjecture, all assumption based on the conjecture.

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Message 564 of 1311 (812963)
06-21-2017 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 563 by Faith
06-21-2017 4:46 PM


Re: No, intraspecies variation is not evolution
Faith writes:
The fact is that all the evidence supports intraspecies variation ONLY....
That's not a fact.

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Message 581 of 1311 (813057)
06-22-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Dredge
06-22-2017 1:00 AM


Dredge writes:
Charles Darwin wrote the first science-fiction novel.
The first science fiction novel was the Bible.
Dredge writes:
If he were alive today he would be astonished that so many people have taken the contents of Origin seriously!
He'd be amazed at how much sense biology finally makes in the light of evolution.

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ringo
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Message 590 of 1311 (813132)
06-23-2017 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 586 by Dredge
06-22-2017 11:46 PM


Re: No, intraspecies variation is not evolution
Dredge writes:
For some reason, some words from a Supertramp song come to mind: "Dreamer; you're nothing but a dreamer."
Some words from the Bible come to mind:
quote:
Matthew 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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Message 600 of 1311 (813215)
06-24-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 593 by Dredge
06-24-2017 12:11 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Dredge writes:
My religious views don't hold me back - by rejecting evolution I am missing out on exactly nothing, as far as science is concerned. This is due to the mathematical principle: evolution = zero.
Your mathematics is as bad as your biology.
Seriously. Why reject evolution? When you get on an airplane, do you go to the cockpit and tell the pilot he doesn't know what he's doing? Where do you get the colossal arrogance to think you have anything intelligent to say about evolution?

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ringo
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Message 604 of 1311 (813288)
06-25-2017 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 601 by Dredge
06-25-2017 12:00 AM


Re: Curiously, intraspecies variation is what evolution predicts
Dredge writes:
An honest observation of thousands of years of animal and plant breeding suggests that Darwins' Tree of Common Descent is a Tree of Fantasy.
That's too long for a bumper sticker.

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ringo
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Message 621 of 1311 (813427)
06-27-2017 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 608 by Dredge
06-27-2017 12:35 AM


Re: maybe we should cholera a new vaccine ...
Dredge writes:
What? ... You're comparing Darwinists' extrapolative fantasies to mathematics and physics? LOL! What an insult to true science.
The more I talk to evolutionists, the more they remind me of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Are you channeling Davidjay? You're beginning to sound just as irrational.

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ringo
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Message 667 of 1311 (814102)
07-04-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 659 by CRR
07-04-2017 3:33 AM


Re: definitions
CRR writes:
Definitions seem to be remarkably idiosyncratic.
Welcome to the English language. Yes, definitions can vary according to context. You can use a knife for spreading butter or for open-heart surgery.
That's no excuse for being confused. If you want to discuss any subject intelligently, it's up to YOU to understand the definitions in context. Mocking the definitions just makes you look like a fool.

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ringo
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Message 730 of 1311 (814643)
07-11-2017 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Dredge
07-11-2017 8:09 AM


Re: define "species"
Dredge writes:
Is it not possible that bacteria are continually mutating through a fixed repertoire of mutations?
There is a "fixed repertoire" in the sense that only a certain set of combinations are possible. But it's a really, really big set.
Your task in rejecting evolution is to show why a subset of those possibilities would be fixed. For example, if the alphabet is your set of possibilities, you need to show why the combination AB is possible but the combination AC is not.

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ringo
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Message 755 of 1311 (814763)
07-12-2017 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 735 by Dredge
07-11-2017 6:28 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:
Theorising is not a use!
Hypothesizing would be a better word.
And of course it is useful. For example, if the Theory of Evolution tells us that pigs and humans are related, we could hypothesize that pigs might be a useful source of insulin for diabetics. Would you care to test that hypothesis and get back to us?

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ringo
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Message 788 of 1311 (814865)
07-13-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 758 by Dredge
07-12-2017 8:52 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:
Remove ToE from human consciousness and pigs will still be a useful source of insulin for diabetics.
But how would you know? If you didn't think there was any biological relationship between humand and pigs, how would you make the connection?
Hint: Creationists didn't.

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ringo
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Message 789 of 1311 (814866)
07-13-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by CRR
07-12-2017 10:43 PM


Re: Funny
CRR writes:
Creation is the theory that fits the facts.
Evolution is the theory the facts don't fit.
Creation is not a theory. It doesn't explain anything. All it does is claim that a giant invisible question mark created everything.

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Message 791 of 1311 (814870)
07-13-2017 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 765 by Dredge
07-12-2017 9:43 PM


Re: Funny
Dredge writes:
Having rejected Creation, atheists have no chose but to accept some theory of evolution as a means of explaining the reality of life (as there are no other alternatives).
You have it backwards.
I grew up in a very religious background. I was practically born in church. I could quote large swaths of the Bible literally before I could read. But as a teenager I tried to prove that the flood story was true and I discovered that it's impossible. The flood could not have happened.
I have been sliding toward atheism (I won't admit to being there yet) BECAUSE of the lame attempts by religionists to prove the lie of creation.
But you are right about there being no alternative to evolution. Creation isn't even a close second.

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ringo
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Message 834 of 1311 (815004)
07-14-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by Faith
07-13-2017 4:38 PM


Re: Funny
Faith writes:
The roster of truly great people who became believers after a long time of typical worldly indoctrination proves you wrong.
I wonder how many on that roster would be considered "true Christians" by YOU. You're famous for citing the accomplishments of Christians while conveniently forgetting that they were RC, CoE, etc. whom YOU don't consider real Christians.

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ringo
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Message 835 of 1311 (815005)
07-14-2017 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 800 by Dredge
07-13-2017 9:47 PM


Re: Funny
Dredge writes:
Science is overrated and subject to delusion.
Thanks for your honesty. Since you admit to being anti-science, I presume you agree that creationism shouldn't be taught in science classes.

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