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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Dredge
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Message 764 of 1311 (814789)
07-12-2017 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 752 by Taq
07-12-2017 1:20 PM


Re: Funny -- not really
Taq writes:
Here are 29+ tests for the Theory of Evolution:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
Talk Origins describes Universal Common Descent as a "hypothesis". So I was wrong to call it a "theory" - way too generous.

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Dredge
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Message 765 of 1311 (814791)
07-12-2017 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 763 by Tanypteryx
07-12-2017 9:23 PM


Re: Funny
Dredge writes: Acceptance of ToE is directly proportional to the incidence of atheism.
Tanypteryx writes:
So what?
Having rejected Creation, atheists have no chose but to accept some theory of evolution as a means of explaining the reality of life (as there are no other alternatives). This position requires no evidence at all - except the existence of life. Darwinism is an attempt to provide a scientific explanation for how this this evolution works.
The fact that any theory of evolution is utterley useless in any applied scientific sense is irrelevant to it's acceptance - because it's raison d'etre isn't scientific, but philosophical. For this reason, Darwinism can rightly be described as "atheist theology".

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Dredge
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Message 800 of 1311 (814942)
07-13-2017 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:02 AM


Re: Funny
Taq writes:
Science is all about explaining how the universe works, and that is exactly what the theory of evolution does.
Science is overrated and subject to delusion.

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Dredge
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Message 801 of 1311 (814944)
07-13-2017 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 746 by Taq
07-12-2017 10:50 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:
Universal common descent is a conclusion, not a theory.
It is also of practical use, such as the SIFTER algorithm that can predict protein function: ...
SIFTER = Statistical Inference of Function Through Evolutionary Relationships.
Nice try, but no cigar ... I will bet my bottom dollar that "Evolutionary" refers to principles of microevolution (that all creationists accept) and is not in any way dependent on the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor.

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Dredge
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Message 804 of 1311 (814947)
07-13-2017 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 770 by Coyote
07-12-2017 11:39 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Coyote writes:
What is not useful now may be most useful in a few years.
That's true. Lasers were initially useless. But Darwinism has been useless for more than 150 years. In another 150 years it will still be useless. (Note: The hallmark of a false theory is uselessness.) Actually, within 150 years, the science of genetics will prove that evolution is impossible ... and useless.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 806 of 1311 (814950)
07-13-2017 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 773 by Tangle
07-13-2017 3:03 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Tangle writes:
As you have now apparently discovered, common descent is not a theory. Progress of sorts.
"Universal common descent is the hypothesis that all known living terrestrial, organisms are genealogically related." - Talk Origins. (emphasis mine).
Anyhow, all these evolution words games is like debating the colour of the Tooth Fairy's hair.
I've been here a few years now and have noticed that the crazier creationists - the real fruitcakes - speak of themselves in this third party way. You need to keep a watch on yourself.
Thank you for your concern, but the team of psychiatrists who look after me assure me that I'm no madder than I was at my last check-up. How did you know my OIR (Official Insanity Rating) is RF (Real Fruitcake)?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 809 of 1311 (814954)
07-13-2017 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by NoNukes
07-13-2017 8:53 AM


Re: define "species"
NoNukes writes:
I see that Tangle has provided some additional information. I am curious as to what it would take for you to check your answer before posting. While I am aware of how selection works, I am also aware that mutations occur, and I wouldn't assume without checking that a relatively recent (the early 1800s it turns out) mutation was not involved.
Your peer CRR at least has not made the same mistake.
Everyone should know better than to speak repeatedly from ignorance, yet you do not.
In the wild, 99.9999% of budgerigars are coloured green and yellow. But breeders have produced budgies in many different colours, including white, blue, green, yellow, grey, violet and Pied. The potential for these "new" colours always existed. I suspect that the same potential for different coloured Pepperd Moths always existed. And Chicko agrees with me.

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Dredge
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Message 810 of 1311 (814955)
07-13-2017 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by Tangle
07-13-2017 10:34 AM


Re: Peppered Moth
Tangle writes:
So we have a beneficial mutation plus natural selection leading to a change in phenotype in response to a change in the environment.
A perfectly demonstrated example of the predicted components of one form of the evolutionary process.
... otherwise known as natural selection.

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Dredge
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Message 812 of 1311 (814957)
07-13-2017 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by Taq
07-13-2017 10:59 AM


Re: define "species"
Dredge writes:
What you consider to be a scientific conclusion is actually an absurd extrapolation - observed small changes mean big changes are possible.
Taq writes:
Can you please point to any post where I used any such extrapolation? You seem to be making stuff up.
After weighing up the evidence you have come to the conclusion that universal common descent is a fact. But I disagree - it's not a fact, but an absurd extrapolation.
When you feel the need to attack the messenger because you don't like the message, it is a good sign that you can't refute the message.
I think my hypotheis is worth serious consideration: "This extrapolation was inspired by an hallucination induced by an overdose of peyote that Charles Darwin experienced while in South America. He then used the hallucination as the basis for his first science-fiction novel." It explains everything.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 813 of 1311 (814958)
07-13-2017 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 785 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:08 AM


Re: Peppered Moth
Taq writes:
The accumulation of mutations like the one that produced new coloration in moths is exactly the pathway that results in massive biological change.
Thank you for providing this example of you arriving at what you think is a scientific conclusion, but is in fact an absurd extrapolation.

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Dredge
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Message 814 of 1311 (814959)
07-14-2017 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:09 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
Dredge writes:
Talk Origins describes Universal Common Descent as a "hypothesis". So I was wrong to call it a "theory" - way too generous.
Taq writes:
So you admit that Universal Common Descent is scientific?
Not scientific ... rather, atheistic.

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Dredge
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Message 816 of 1311 (814961)
07-14-2017 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 782 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:00 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:
Of course not. An explanation can be true yet useless to applied science.
Taq writes:
Then what are you going on about?
What I'm going on about about is, scientific explanations can be wrong. I like science that produces a practical use, because then you know that the principles involved are more or less correct.

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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 818 of 1311 (814964)
07-14-2017 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 802 by Coyote
07-13-2017 10:07 PM


Re: Funny
Coyote writes:
Science does quite well for itself. It may make errors but it has mechanisms built in to correct those errors.
Except when science is abused as a front for atheistic philosophy, which is what ToE does.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 821 of 1311 (814967)
07-14-2017 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 817 by dwise1
07-14-2017 12:09 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
dwise1 writes:
So then, yet again, explain why you consider that idea to be "atheistic."
Well, ToE is actually an invention of Satan; but it is transmitted to the world at large by atheists. Out of the Enlightenment came a tsunami of atheism. It's was only a matter of time before a pseudo-scientific creation story came along to make all these atheists feel "intellectually fulfilled". It's so obvious. Why can't you see it?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 823 of 1311 (814970)
07-14-2017 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 820 by Coyote
07-14-2017 12:14 AM


Re: Funny
Coyote writes:
Lately you're nothing more than a troll.
That's not a very nice thing to say. The cult you have willingly joined doesn't like dissenters who shine lights in their dark dungeons. You are childishly deluded if you think the purpose of ToE is to advance science.

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