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Author Topic:   Quote Mining, false witness for the gullible and willfully ignorant
NoNukes
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Message 46 of 49 (814953)
07-13-2017 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by marc9000
07-11-2017 11:58 AM


Re: It's a good laugh
The term "quote mine" not being formally defined is significant however.

No, it is not a significant issue. Everyone here, including you, knows what the term means. If you have any doubts about the meaning, all you have to do is ask for clarification. The original post sufficiently clarifies what this thread is about.

You are not contributing to any honest discussion. You are doubling down on being a distraction and my responses to you just make more distraction. I am over my limit for responding to your BS in a thread so I'm not going to pursue this any further.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Rrhain
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Message 47 of 49 (814976)
07-14-2017 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by NoNukes
07-08-2017 8:19 PM


Re: Trump made calculated comments about Mexicans and it was deliberately sweeping.
NoNukes writes:

quote:
Of course, Hillary later comes along and makes that "basket of deplorables" comment that kicks way all possible moral high ground.

At the risk of running away from the topic: Exactly what was wrong or "immoral" about her statement?

It was quite literally true. Racism, sexism, white supremacy, homophobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, etc. aren't "deplorable"? The supporters of Trump didn't include a huge number of such "deplorable" people?

You don't have to be a bigot to support Trump, but it sure helps.

But then again, to ensure that I am actually sticking to the topic, you're quote mining her. You are doing precisely the same thing to her that the media did to Gore when they insisted he said he "invented the internet" (which he never did nor even implied.)

Here's your chance: Why don't you give us her full statement in complete context.

Remember to include what she said right after that first "basket" comment...because there was more than one basket, you'll recall.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Message 48 of 49 (814980)
07-14-2017 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Rrhain
07-14-2017 4:14 AM


politics and quote mines and implications for creationists
NoNukes writes:

quote:
Of course, Hillary later comes along and makes that "basket of deplorables" comment that kicks way all possible moral high ground.

At the risk of running away from the topic: Exactly what was wrong or "immoral" about her statement?

Curiously I think we can all agree that virtually all political campaigns use quote mines against their opponents. It is a political ploy to make the opponent look bad.

To bring this back to the topic, this certainly is "Quote Mining, false witness for the gullible and willfully ignorant" ... with the purpose of getting votes, ie political support.

What it shows about creationist usage, then, is that using quote mines in debates about science is waging a political campaign rather than a campaign based on facts and evidence.

Nor does it matter the science, climate denial, evolution denial, age denial, all these denial campaigns are based on emotional appeal rather than scientific evidence, and they freely use quote mines to delude the gullible.

Because they don't have the facts.

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Message 49 of 49 (815012)
07-14-2017 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Rrhain
07-14-2017 4:14 AM


Re: Trump made calculated comments about Mexicans and it was deliberately sweeping.
off topic

Edited by NoNukes, : RAZD has asked us to stay on topic


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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