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ringo
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Message 856 of 1311 (815113)
07-16-2017 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 846 by Dredge
07-15-2017 7:07 PM


Re: define "species"
Dredge writes:

Why all these extra frets if they're rarely used? The answer is, the "junk" frets (13-20/24) are vestigial; remants of a bygone era - perhaps billions of years ago - when all frets were used equally (not by humans , of course, but by some kind of musical monkey-man).


Again, your task as a creationist is to show that those vestigial frets CAN NOT be used. You need to show that no frets are possible beyond 12.
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Message 857 of 1311 (815135)
07-16-2017 6:19 PM
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07-15-2017 6:24 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
I agree, and as we have seen in other threads neither the word evolution as used in biology nor the theory of evolution can be defined. This leads to almost any example of biological change over time, "evolution", being quoted as evidence for "evolution", the theory of. Nature's "15 EVOLUTIONARY GEMS" provides several examples of this.

Of course nobody in this forum would do such a thing but this slippery meaning of the word evolution provides many opportunities for bait and switch tactics.


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Message 858 of 1311 (815139)
07-16-2017 6:29 PM
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07-15-2017 6:24 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Terminology is trumped by reality.

T'was evolution no matter what you label it.


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Message 859 of 1311 (815159)
07-16-2017 9:38 PM
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07-16-2017 12:20 AM


Re: Interesting question...
NoNukes writes:

Dredge writes:

I stated that the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor is useless to applied science


Seriously Dredge. Haven't you already acknowledged that this is a hypothesis? How about making the same claim about the theory of evolution?

The theory that all life shares a common ancestor is the theory of evolution. I don't understand why one is described as a hypothesis and the other is described as a theory.


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Dredge
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Message 860 of 1311 (815160)
07-16-2017 10:26 PM
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07-16-2017 12:18 AM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Doctors don't care about theories about origins and tales about rodents turning into whales or apes turning into humans. They care about the science of here and now and what works and what doesn't work. ToE is useless to them, hence their terminilogy is different to that employed by the atheist cult of Darwinism.
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Message 861 of 1311 (815170)
07-17-2017 6:38 AM
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07-16-2017 9:38 PM


Re: Interesting question...
The theory that all life shares a common ancestor is the theory of evolution. I don't understand why one is described as a hypothesis and the other is described as a theory.

A theory is a tested hypothesis.

A theory also generates hypotheses, like evolution predicts a common ancestor, so that becomes a hypothesis that needs to be tested.

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Message 862 of 1311 (815171)
07-17-2017 6:47 AM
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07-16-2017 6:19 PM


several synonymic definitions
I agree, and as we have seen in other threads neither the word evolution as used in biology nor the theory of evolution can be defined. This leads to almost any example of biological change over time, "evolution", being quoted as evidence for "evolution", the theory of. Nature's "15 EVOLUTIONARY GEMS" provides several examples of this.

Of course nobody in this forum would do such a thing but this slippery meaning of the word evolution provides many opportunities for bait and switch tactics.

oo, like you are doing?

Always funny to see two creationists agreeing with each other on missing the point ... I would have said

as we have seen in other threads, both the word evolution, as used in biology, and the theory of evolution, ToE, can be defined in several similar ways with similar meanings. Like synonyms.

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Message 863 of 1311 (815174)
07-17-2017 7:27 AM
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07-16-2017 9:38 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:

The theory that all life shares a common ancestor is the theory of evolution...

No, it isn't. The theory of evolution involves the mechanisms involved in how life changed from the first forms of life (forms of prokaryotes) to the variety of life we see around us today. Mechanisms being the operating word.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 864 of 1311 (815175)
07-17-2017 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 856 by ringo
07-16-2017 2:08 PM


Re: define "species"
ringo, creationists are trained to think that the term vestigial is a synonym for the word 'useless'.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 865 of 1311 (815176)
07-17-2017 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 857 by CRR
07-16-2017 6:19 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
CRR writes:

Of course nobody in this forum would do such a thing but this slippery meaning of the word evolution provides many opportunities for bait and switch tactics.

This one is funny to me. A YEC who thinks that semantics are used as science.
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ringo
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Message 866 of 1311 (815189)
07-17-2017 11:44 AM
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07-17-2017 7:44 AM


Re: define "species"
Pressie writes:

ringo, creationists are trained to think that the term vestigial is a synonym for the word 'useless'.


Creationists need re-training in a lot of areas. Lack of training is what makes them creationists.

Vestigial refers to the loss of a former use. It doesn't necessarily mean there is no current use. For example, wagon wheels have a use are lawn ornaments but they've lost their former use as wagon wheels.

Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution.


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Message 867 of 1311 (815200)
07-17-2017 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 816 by Dredge
07-14-2017 12:07 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:

What I'm going on about about is, scientific explanations can be wrong.

What does that have to do with whether ToE has application in any specific field?


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Message 868 of 1311 (815209)
07-17-2017 3:11 PM
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07-15-2017 6:24 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Dredge writes:

The purpose of using "evolved" is to promote their cult of evolution's theology that says,

I have always found it fascinating that creationists try so hard to make evolution look like a religion. Why is that?


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Message 869 of 1311 (815210)
07-17-2017 3:11 PM
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07-16-2017 9:38 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:

The theory that all life shares a common ancestor is the theory of evolution.

False. Universal Common Ancestry is a conclusion, not a theory. How many times have we gone over this?


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Message 870 of 1311 (815211)
07-17-2017 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 860 by Dredge
07-16-2017 10:26 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Dredge writes:

Doctors don't care about theories about origins and tales about rodents turning into whales or apes turning into humans.

Doctors don't care if scientists have unified the weak and electromagnetic forces. Does this mean it isn't true?


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