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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Taq
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Message 871 of 1311 (815212)
07-17-2017 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 844 by Dredge
07-15-2017 6:49 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:

I agree. But thinking you understand something when in fact you don't is never useful. Hence, the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor is useless to applied science.

I already showed you that this is false with the example of SIFTER. Why do you keep lying about this?


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Taq
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Message 872 of 1311 (815213)
07-17-2017 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 857 by CRR
07-16-2017 6:19 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
CRR writes:

I agree, and as we have seen in other threads neither the word evolution as used in biology nor the theory of evolution can be defined.

Both are lies. I have defined the theory of evolution for you, and I have given the example of SIFTER as a use for the theory of evolution in this very thread.


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Taq
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Message 873 of 1311 (815215)
07-17-2017 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by Dredge
07-15-2017 7:52 PM


Re: define "species"
Dredge writes:

Notice that breeders have not managed to produce black or red budgies - and I predict they never will, because there are limits to variation. Due to these genetic limitations, macroevolution is impossible and ToE is nonsense.

Quite obviously, the biodiversity we do see is within these limitations, so those limitations don't pose a problem. There are just 40 million mutations separating humans and chimps, well within the limitations of what genetics can do.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 874 of 1311 (815219)
07-17-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 868 by Taq
07-17-2017 3:11 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
I have always found it fascinating that creationists try so hard to make evolution look like a religion. Why is that?

And an atheist religion at that.

Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 875 of 1311 (815220)
07-17-2017 3:48 PM
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07-17-2017 3:32 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.

Or the whole: "See, evolution takes faith!" arguments, as if they see faith as some kind of bad thing - which makes you wonder...


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Tanypteryx
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Message 876 of 1311 (815223)
07-17-2017 4:09 PM
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07-17-2017 3:48 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.

Or the whole: "See, evolution takes faith!" arguments, as if they see faith as some kind of bad thing - which makes you wonder...

The results of cognitive dissonance are amazing to observe.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Taq
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Message 877 of 1311 (815224)
07-17-2017 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 874 by Tanypteryx
07-17-2017 3:32 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Tanypteryx writes:

And an atheist religion at that.

As the old saying goes, if atheism is a religion then not playing golf is a sport.

Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.

It is straight up psychological projection. They reject science because of their religious beliefs, so they project their own inadequacies onto others in reaction to the cognitive dissonance caused by their own religious beliefs.


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Dredge
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Message 878 of 1311 (815252)
07-18-2017 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 871 by Taq
07-17-2017 3:14 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:


Dredge writes:


I agree. But thinking you understand something when in fact you don't is never useful. Hence, the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor is useless to applied science.


I already showed you that this is false with the example of SIFTER. Why do you keep lying about this?

Please explain how SIFTER makes use of the theory that all life shares a common ancestor.
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Dredge
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Message 879 of 1311 (815253)
07-18-2017 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 869 by Taq
07-17-2017 3:11 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Taq writes:

False. Universal Common Ancestry is a conclusion, not a theory. How many times have we gone over this?


Forget Darwinism for a sec. The general theory of evolution says all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor. This is a theory of universal common ancestry, isn't it?
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Dredge
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Message 880 of 1311 (815254)
07-18-2017 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 868 by Taq
07-17-2017 3:11 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Taq writes:

I have always found it fascinating that creationists try so hard to make evolution look like a religion. Why is that?


I would call Darwinism a cult, rather than a religion; but I like to refer to evolution science as "atheist theology", because it is the equivalent of theology to theists.
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Dredge
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Message 881 of 1311 (815255)
07-18-2017 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 875 by New Cat's Eye
07-17-2017 3:48 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
NewCatsEye writes:

Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.
Or the whole: "See, evolution takes faith!" arguments, as if they see faith as some kind of bad thing - which makes you wonder...


Religion requires faith, but shouldn't science - eg, evolution - be confined to evidence? It's interesting that you seem to think faith has a place in science.

Imagine if engineers relied on faith when building bridges!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 882 of 1311 (815256)
07-18-2017 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 881 by Dredge
07-18-2017 1:12 AM


Re: Insecticide resistance
NewCatsEye writes:

Apparently, being a religion is the worst insult they can come up with.
Or the whole: "See, evolution takes faith!" arguments, as if they see faith as some kind of bad thing - which makes you wonder...


Religion requires faith, but shouldn't science - eg, evolution - be confined to evidence? It's interesting that you seem to think faith has a place in science.

Sheesh, really?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Pressie
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Message 883 of 1311 (815262)
07-18-2017 5:50 AM
Reply to: Message 850 by Dredge
07-15-2017 7:52 PM


Re: define "species"
This one is funny to me.

Dredge writes:

Notice that breeders have not managed to produce black or red budgies...

Really? Look up Jaap Marais. He was a white supremacist politician who did manage to breed black budgies.

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Message 884 of 1311 (815263)
07-18-2017 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 872 by Taq
07-17-2017 3:24 PM


Re: Insecticide resistance
Taq writes:


CRR writes:

I agree, and as we have seen in other threads neither the word evolution as used in biology nor the theory of evolution can be defined.

Both are lies. I have defined the theory of evolution for you, and I have given the example of SIFTER as a use for the theory of evolution in this very thread.

Technically I was wrong to say "evolution" couldn't be defined. I should have said that neither word nor theory have a consensus definition. Taq did give a definition but from memory nobody agreed with him. Perhaps, for the record, Taq would like to repeat his definitions for the word and the theory with links to the original posts.


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CRR
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Message 885 of 1311 (815264)
07-18-2017 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 883 by Pressie
07-18-2017 5:50 AM


Re: Black Budgie
Sorry Pressie, I was disappointed to find this was false. No black budgie.

quote:
In contradiction to the usual cartoonist caricatures of right-wing extremists, Mr Marais could also laugh at himself. Away from politics, he was a bird fancier dedicated to breeding a pure black budgerigar. When challenged about his lifelong failure to produce such a bird, he said it only went to prove that it was against the laws of nature to challenge the colour bar.
http://www.economist.com/node/318656

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