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Author Topic:   Latest on the Republicans' war against health care
Chiroptera
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Message 1 of 51 (814424)
07-09-2017 5:48 PM


Indiana Republicans made an "oopsie":
Indiana GOP's Facebook call for "Obamacare horror stories" goes wrong
The Republican party in Indiana put up a request on their Facebook page asking for horror stories about their experiences with Obamacare. Instead, they received a lot of testimonials from people who have benefited from it.
Boy, their commitment to repeal Obamacare is really turning into a mess for them.
Now that the holiday recess is over, they are supposed to bring their repeal back onto the table. It'll be interesting to see what is in store.
(I found this story in a column by Paul Krugman.)

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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Chiroptera
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Message 5 of 51 (814477)
07-10-2017 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Porosity
07-09-2017 6:20 PM


Re: The real horror
Well, the insurance companies themselves were pretty much willing to work within Obamacare. You're seeing a few leaving now, but if you read the news reports most of them are pretty clear that it's the uncertainty caused by the Republicans hostility that is creating the instability in the markets.

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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Chiroptera
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Message 8 of 51 (814528)
07-10-2017 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Porosity
07-09-2017 7:32 PM


Re: Health Care is really simple (redux)
And tax cuts for rich people.
Especially tax cuts for rich people.
It's possible that the Republicans will end up abandoning health care "reform" and move immediately to their true love: "tax reform", that is, txt cuts for rich people.

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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Chiroptera
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Message 19 of 51 (815009)
07-14-2017 12:36 PM


Newest Senate proposal
As promised, the Senate Republicans have produced their new health care "reform" bill:
Senate Republicans Unveil New Health Bill, but Divisions Remain
It's still uncertain whether or not it's going to pass:
Two Republican senators, Susan Collins of Maine, a moderate, and Rand Paul of Kentucky, a conservative, said they were not swayed even on a procedural motion to take up the bill for debate.
More interesting:
The Republican Trumpcare bill still slashes Medicaid, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, said. The cuts are every bit as draconian as they were in the previous version a devastating blow to rural hospitals, to Americans in nursing homes, to those struggling with opioid addiction and so many more.
When I was young, that was pretty much how Medicaid was criticized by the right: as a tax give-a-way to undeserving lazy poor people. It's interesting how it now seems to have a lot more support these days.
Republicans say they are trying to stabilize insurance markets and rescue consumers who face sky-high premiums and deductibles on the Affordable Care Act’s exchanges.
Funny enough, the insurance companies are complaining that the main source of instability in the exchanges are due to the Republican majority's hostility to Obamacare. If the Republicans would give up on trying to repeal it (or break it under the guise of "fixing" it) and would adequately finance the subsidies, the insurance companies would be happy to continue to participate.
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Man, this is looking like political genius on the part of Obama. Some of us may remember that when it was passed, Obamacare was unpopular among a majority of Americans. Obama must have figured that once it was working and people saw how good it was for them, that would turn around.

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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Chiroptera
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Message 38 of 51 (815360)
07-19-2017 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by NoNukes
07-18-2017 11:51 AM


Next item: Tax cuts for the rich!
Well, Republican health care "reform" failed:
The New York Times - As Senate Gives Up Trump Makes Vow: Care Act Will Fail
Now it'll be time to try to kill Obamacare by refusing to adequately fund it:
Mr. Trump declared that his plan was now to let Obamacare fail. ... If he is determined to make good on that pledge, he has plenty of levers to pull, from declining to reimburse insurance companies for reducing low-income customers’ out-of-pocket costs to failing to enforce the mandate that most Americans have health coverage.
But:
It’ll be a lot easier, Mr. Trump said at the White House, adding: We’re not going to own it. I’m not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We’ll let Obamacare fail, and then the Democrats are going to come to us.
I'm not so sure that they can refuse to "own it":
Members of both parties have ideas about how to stabilize insurance markets and hold down premiums. One possible action is to provide money for the payments to insurers for reducing customers’ out-of-pocket costs. In addition, two Democratic senators, Thomas R. Carper of Delaware and Tim Kaine of Virginia, want the federal government to help pay the largest claims through a backstop known as reinsurance. Senators of both parties also want to help people in counties where no insurer chooses to offer health plans through the Affordable Care Act marketplace a real possibility in some places next year.
If some bipartisan compromises can be worked out here, then any failure will clearly be the fault of Congressional "conservative" Republicans and their leadership and/or the President.

Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche

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