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Tanypteryx
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Message 61 of 71 (808165)
05-08-2017 6:00 PM


‘Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care’
‘Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care’

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Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) was drowned out by constituents’ booing at a town hall in Lewiston, Idaho on Friday after saying that lacking access to health care never caused anyone to die.
Labrador made the statement in response to a question from a woman in the audience, who said that taking health care away from people on Medicaid was tantamount to asking them to die.

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“That line is so indefensible,” Labrador said. “Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care.”

On Saturday, Labrador posted a statement on the exchange, saying that his response “wasn’t very elegant” and criticizing the media coverage.



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Message 62 of 71 (808185)
05-08-2017 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Tanypteryx
05-08-2017 6:00 PM


Re: ‘Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care’
The Medicaid expansion would be a powerful thing except for the fact that it was deliberately underfunded by Obama and the Democrats.

The underfunded expansion enabled the vast majority of Republican controlled states to reject the expansion.

However:

Enough did expand Medicaid so that there will be enough suffering in GOP states - if cuts are significant enough - to cause Republicans to challenge and oppose Trump's recent House passed bill.

At least four Republican Senators are against the Medicaid changes.

Gardner of Colorado.

Portman of Ohio.

Capito of West Virginia.

I think Collins of Maine.

Even conservative Democrat Joe Manchin has come out very strongly against the Medicaid cuts. (He is dead as a doornail in 2018, now that Tom Perez has said Pro Lifers aren't welcome in the party, plus he supported anti-gun leglslation)

The Manchin situation will see the last West Virginia Democratic voice, perhaps, spend his last gasping breaths uttering words of doom and gloom over the anti-Medicaid disaster that is Trumpcare.

Democratic chances of getting any real traction are close to nill until Tom Perez is removed from his position as party chair.


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Faith
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Message 63 of 71 (815402)
07-19-2017 11:32 PM
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02-04-2017 11:31 PM


cancelled post
moving to more appropriate thread

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NoNukes
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Message 64 of 71 (815409)
07-20-2017 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by LamarkNewAge
05-08-2017 11:49 PM


Re: ‘Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care’
The underfunded expansion enabled the vast majority of Republican controlled states to reject the expansion.

The reasons for the refusal of states like North Carolina to expand medicaid are well known. They have little to do with the states finding the federal money extremely unhelpful and too small. The overwhelming majority (32 of 50) of states found the money extremely helpful.

Further, the original plan included both carrot and stick to encourage states to adopt the expansion. The Supreme Court held the stick part of the bargain to be unconstitutional and left states free to reject the expansion. Many states like North Carolina, elected, to the detriment of their populations and their in state hospitals, to reject the expansion because well Obama. The incoming NC governor has proposed taking the money, but the Republican controlled legislature said no because, Obama.

Kentucky actually accepted the money only to have the incoming governor close down the state exchanges because, well yes, Obama.

You believe that even more federal funding would make a difference? Well given the fact that Republican leadership opposes the ACA as socialism and wealth transfer, the idea that some more government money would help is unsupportable. You are welcome to try.

Enough did expand Medicaid so that there will be enough suffering in GOP states - if cuts are significant enough - to cause Republicans to challenge and oppose Trump's recent House passed bill.

This prediction turned out to be true. As of this date, every Republican plan has failed in the senate. Part of that is because of complaints from state governors.


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Message 65 of 71 (824834)
12-04-2017 8:51 AM


The New Tax Bill: Will You Be Paying More or Less?
Has anyone estimated whether their taxes will be going up or down under the new tax bill? I have. New Hampshire has no state income tax and a relatively mild sales tax, so property taxes are the primary source of income for the state, making our property taxes very high. Property tax deductions are being capped at $10,000. Offsetting this is that the standard deduction for couples is being increased to $24,400, but the personal exemption of around $4000/person is being eliminated making it advantageous for the first time that we take the standard deduction instead of itemizing. Our taxes will be going up by around $1500.

This personal tax "cut" will expire on December 31, 2025 and revert to current law in order to conform to the Byrd Rule (you don't want to know), but the corporate tax cuts are permanent.

What does this mean for me? Well, I'm not a wealthy individual. I'm retired, and my younger wife will be retiring within a year or two. We always knew we couldn't afford to stay forever in the big house where we raised our kids, but this brings closer that time when we will have to sell and move to a smaller place. It also means we'll get less for the house, since the high property taxes lessened effect on federal taxes will drag down the value. It won't lessen the value of the smaller house we move to because it likely won't be in this state and so will not have reached the $10,000 property tax cap.

Here's an article about the property tax cap: The GOP’s $10,000 cap on property tax deductions and how it affects one congressional district

--Percy


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NoNukes
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Message 66 of 71 (824890)
12-04-2017 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Percy
12-04-2017 8:51 AM


Re: The New Tax Bill: Will You Be Paying More or Less?
Has anyone estimated whether their taxes will be going up or down under the new tax bill? I have.

Everyone will be forced to go through this exercise before the 2018 elections. I suspect that a large chunk of the population will be unpleasantly surprised by the new tax law.

Thanks for sharing...

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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dwise1
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Message 67 of 71 (824911)
12-05-2017 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Percy
12-04-2017 8:51 AM


Re: The New Tax Bill: Will You Be Paying More or Less?
What I remember of the big "Reagan Tax Cut", I ended up paying twice as much federal income tax. Of course, at or just before that time we had income averaging and I had come off of a low-income period, active duty, just a few years before.

At this time, I am also in another transitional period. I am currently retiring, which should become fully effective at the end of the year. About a couple years ago I paid off my mortgage. That leaves me now with no mortgage interest deduction, but I would still have property taxes and state income tax deductions to think about. I have been divorced for more than a decade and my surviving son is an adult, so no dependents.

Frankly, since I will have suddenly transitioned to a low-income status (social security payments instead of a software engineer's income), this Republican tax code fiasco will be difficult to assess in my case.

Still, anyone can plainly see that it is complete and utter bollocks which can only serve to destroy the US economy (consider the recent trickle-down experiment in Kansas).


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Percy
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Message 68 of 71 (824913)
12-05-2017 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Percy
12-04-2017 8:51 AM


Re: The New Tax Bill: Will You Be Paying More or Less?
This article in today's New York Times says that New Yorkers will be facing the same problems I am: How New Yorkers Would Lose Under the Republican Tax Bill. New York faces problems additional to mine, such as the potential for the wealthy fleeing urban regions because of the big increase in their tax bills. Because of the drop in property values, municipalities could see a decrease in tax revenue. The ability to fund affordable housing would be adversely affected.

The article makes very clear why the Republican tax bill is a dagger struck at the heart of blue country. Blue country is mostly urban where property values tend to be high.

--Percy


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Message 69 of 71 (824915)
12-05-2017 9:38 AM


The RNC Has No Shame
Evidently now fully under Trump's thumb, the Republican National Committee has thrown their full support behind sexual harasser Roy Moore's senatorial run in Alabama. Others in congress have walked back their rejection of Moore, such as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senator Orrin Hatch. Politicians are evidently able to do something I find amazing, since I was never able to do it myself, separate how I did my job from my responsibilities to my fellow man, and especially my fellow women in this case:

This makes funds available to Moore in the eve of the election one week away.

--Percy


    
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Message 70 of 71 (824916)
12-05-2017 9:58 AM


Make Italy Great again!
Make Germany Great again.
Make America Great again.

All the result of popular support from the citizenry.

Polish terrorists attack a German radio station. The threat is real.

Palestinian Israeli Terrorists blow up the King David hotel. The threat is real.

USS Maddox attacked by North Vietnamese gun boats. The threat is real.


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Message 71 of 71 (825016)
12-06-2017 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by jar
12-05-2017 9:58 AM


And we must nto forget the massacre of Bowling Green Kentucky.
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