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jar
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Message 946 of 4573 (815380)
07-19-2017 4:26 PM


Jeff Sessions throws the US Constitution away.
Once again the Trump Administration, this time through Jeff Sessions, shows they have no regard for the rule of law or the protections of the US Constitution and authorizes Police to simply confiscate property from US Citizens who have not been convicted of a crime or even charged with a crime without any concern for Constitutional Rights.
This should scare the shit out of every citizen.
quote:
The Justice Department announced a new federal policy Wednesday to help state and local police take cash and property from people suspected of a crime, even without a criminal charge, reversing an Obama administration rule prompted by past abuse by police.
source
Perhaps he has never read the 5th. Amendment.
quote:
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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JonF
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Message 947 of 4573 (815390)
07-19-2017 6:27 PM


They really do despise the American people.
CBO: Repeal And Delay Takes Away 32 Million People's Health Care; Premiums Double
quote:
Repeal of all subsidies and the Medicaid expansion would be in effect in 2020, but the individual mandate would disappear immediately, causing deep distress and strain on insurers.
It would do deep and lasting harm to Trump voters in particular, who live in those rural areas and depend upon Medicaid and other health services to survive.
In the end, CBO estimates that half of the nation's population would live in areas with no insurers whatsoever.

  
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Message 948 of 4573 (815675)
07-23-2017 1:08 AM


The Supreme Leader's latest
I read on the BBC news website that Trump is considering using Presidential pardon powers to pardon his family, aides and even himself, if the current investigations lead to any unlawful activity being uncovered: Donald Trump insists he has 'complete power' to pardon - BBC News
There is an element of speculation to this, but it is hard to see what else his tweet was referencing.
I'm hard pushed to think of any more fundamental pillar of a liberal democracy, than the principle that our leaders are subject to the full force of the law, in exactly the same way as every other citizen.
Is it too much to hope that even a proportion of Trump supporters might realise how utterly wrong it would be for him to pardon himself or his family in relation to any crimes they may have committed ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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jar
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Message 949 of 4573 (815686)
07-23-2017 6:46 AM
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07-23-2017 1:08 AM


Re: The Supreme Leader's latest
vimsey writes:
Is it too much to hope that even a proportion of Trump supporters might realise how utterly wrong it would be for him to pardon himself or his family in relation to any crimes they may have committed ?
Gerald Ford was an honorable, kind and honest person and a pretty good President yet his pardon of Richard Nixon, even if done for the good of the country, was not forgiven and he was not reelected.
But that was a different set of Republicans and not the band of the deplorables we have today.

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Message 950 of 4573 (815707)
07-23-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 949 by jar
07-23-2017 6:46 AM


Re: The Supreme Leader's latest
Gerald Ford was an honorable, kind and honest person and a pretty good President yet his pardon of Richard Nixon.
Legally, receiving a pardon is not an admission of guilt, but... the grant of a pardon is an imputation of guilt. The pardon granter is saying he believes you the pardon recipient are guilty.
Now, what does it mean if you give yourself a pardon? That's a self-imputation, and pretty much an admission of guilt. A pardon is ineffective against impeachment.
A pardon also removes the ability to take the 5th.
All in all, a self-pardon may be most unwise, and pardoning guilty folks before an investigation is complete may well be nearly as unwise.
ABE:
Another scenario. Someone is threatened with criminal sanctions for not reporting contact with the Russians on their security clearance application. Trump pardons them. That person surely is not keeping his security clearance after that, right?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Message 951 of 4573 (815784)
07-24-2017 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by Chiroptera
07-19-2017 12:55 PM


Re: Trump certifies Iran nuclear deal
quote:
The New York Times: Reluctantly, Trump Recertifies Iran’s Compliance With Nuclear Agreement
The US President has to certify to Congress every 90 days whether Iran is complying with the "Nuclear Deal". For the second time, the Trump Administration has certified Iran's compliance.
One of Trump's campaign promises was to scrap the deal and negotiate a better one. Unfortunately, this agreement involves the international community, especially the US' European allies. Trump is learning that negotiating deals is much more difficult in real life than on TV.
He said he would keep the deal during the campaign, and it distinguished him from all other candidates (except perhaps Rand Paul)
Trump did , however, boast that he would use his clever cunning toughness to use every last line of the deal to make life like hell on Iran as the nation struggled to fulfill its end of the bargain.

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NoNukes
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Message 952 of 4573 (815845)
07-25-2017 10:33 AM


Trump speech at the Boy Scout Jamboree...
If anyone had any doubt that Trump is a vain, narcissist, those doubts would have been cleared up by listening to Trump's speech to the Boy Scouts yesterday.
Does anybody want to take a stab at explaining how this speech was all about the boy scouts rather than all about Trump? Some choice excerpts:
quote:
"By the way, what do you think the chances are that this incredible, massive crowd, record-setting is going to be shown on television tonight? One percent or zero?"
quote:
But do you remember that incredible night with the maps and the Republicans are red and the Democrats are blue, and that map was so red, it was unbelievable, and they didn't know what to say?
quote:
By the way, just a question, did President Obama ever come to a jamboree?
ABE: I meant to add this final one, and of course you need a link to the transcript so you know I am not fibbing. I hadn't realized that the Boy Scouts were so partisan. Wonder why my parents had me join?
Trump 2017 Boy Scout Jamboree Speech: Full Transcript | Time
quote:
And you know we have a tremendous disadvantage in the Electoral College -- popular vote is much easier.
Edited by NoNukes, : Add link to Jamboree brag sessions.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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Message 953 of 4573 (815852)
07-25-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 952 by NoNukes
07-25-2017 10:33 AM


Re: Trump speech at the Boy Scout Jamboree...
quote:
But do you remember that incredible night with the maps and the Republicans are red and the Democrats are blue, and that map was so red, it was unbelievable, and they didn't know what to say?
Trump and his minions love the word "unbelievable". The other day, one of them said that Trump is doing an unbelievable job.
He really is.
But apparently they think "unbelievable" means "good".

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Message 954 of 4573 (815889)
07-26-2017 3:49 AM


Trump does something good..
It's a sad day when Trump actually does something positive and the media still try to 'blame Russia'. Also when Fox News is being more impartial than the others.

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Riggamortis
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Message 955 of 4573 (815890)
07-26-2017 3:56 AM
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07-25-2017 12:00 PM


Re: Trump speech at the Boy Scout Jamboree...
Trumps play book seems to consist of using lots of adjectives to validate the nonsense that generally follows and very little else.
Edited by Riggamortis, : No reason given.

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Message 956 of 4573 (815894)
07-26-2017 7:49 AM
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07-26-2017 3:56 AM


Re: Trump speech at the Boy Scout Jamboree...
I like the Don. I don't get the Don, at all. Impulsive, etc. He's funny, though.
At least he gave me some insentive to take a few Mandarin classes. I have to understand how the next superpower will work when those guys talk amongst themselves. I admit that, for me, that education will take quite a few years.
I'm still struggling to get the Amcan sense of humour after 40 years. I don't get The Don or The Bushy humour, at all...
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 957 of 4573 (815896)
07-26-2017 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 954 by Riggamortis
07-26-2017 3:49 AM


Re: Trump does something good..
It's a sad day when Trump actually does something positive and the media still try to 'blame Russia'. Also when Fox News is being more impartial than the others.
The link to this video does not work. I am going to assume that this is the sarcastic post of the week.
By the way, has anyone heard from Dr. Adequate lately?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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jar
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Message 958 of 4573 (815898)
07-26-2017 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 957 by NoNukes
07-26-2017 8:19 AM


Re: Trump does something good..
It's a Fox News video covering an editorial comment on why TRUMP discontinued the CIA Covert arming of the anti-Assad forces.
The gist of the video is that Russia has been supporting Assad and many in the media have suggested that Trump's motive was to please Russia and Putin but the Fox folk list other possible motives.
The problem is that Trump is simply not capable of presenting a cohesive explanation of why he does anything and since it was supposedly a covert CIA action publicly announcing that it was stopped is what Trump is always bitching about, yet another Leak.

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Message 959 of 4573 (815903)
07-26-2017 8:55 AM


Yet another soundbite of Trump doing what no one else can...
It is much easier to act presidential than what we are doing here tonight, believe me," Trump said. "With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office.
Trump is a buffoon. Pure and simple.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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jar
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Message 960 of 4573 (815905)
07-26-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 959 by NoNukes
07-26-2017 8:55 AM


Re: Yet another soundbite of Trump doing what no one else can...
He is the classic boor.

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