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Author Topic:   Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
ringo
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Message 1173 of 1311 (816310)
08-02-2017 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1172 by New Cat's Eye
08-02-2017 12:09 PM


Re: seven "assumptions"
New Cat's Eye writes:
That comes right out of their shitty "How to Use the Bible" playbook
Or, to put it another way: If they can warp the Bible to fit their preconceived notions, they can warp anything else too.

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ringo
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Message 1192 of 1311 (816369)
08-03-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1177 by Dredge
08-03-2017 2:05 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Dredge writes:
If the first parts of Genesis are allegorical, when does the allegory stop and the literal begin?
Hint: Talking snakes are not literal.
According to the first part of Genesis, humans acquired the ability to discern good from evil - i.e. the ability to use their brains. Apparently, people who call that a "Fall" think it was a bad thing.

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ringo
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Message 1194 of 1311 (816371)
08-03-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1186 by Faith
08-03-2017 8:53 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Faith writes:
If it isn't all historically true, inspired by God Himself, then it is corrupted by human error and why should anyone take it seriously?
Because everything is subject to human error - including and especially your view of the Bible.
The primary use of intelligence is for correcting errors.

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ringo
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Message 1226 of 1311 (816435)
08-04-2017 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Faith
08-03-2017 4:03 PM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Faith writes:
Except writings inspired by God Himself.
It makes no difference who or what inspired the writings. All writings are subject to the failures of human understanding.

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ringo
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Message 1227 of 1311 (816436)
08-04-2017 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Faith
08-03-2017 4:03 PM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Duplicate
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 1228 of 1311 (816437)
08-04-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1206 by Dredge
08-04-2017 2:47 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Dredge writes:
As I have already explained in a previous post, it would seem that demons, or Satan, are not capable of "speaking" to humans in an audible voice.
Demons and Satan are also not literal. Notice how you have to make up rules like, "They can't speak in an audible voice," which is just as silly as snakes that can speak in an audible voice.

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ringo
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Message 1229 of 1311 (816438)
08-04-2017 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1207 by Dredge
08-04-2017 2:58 AM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Dredge writes:
God arranged to have his Word recorded in written form to preserve its accuracy down through the centuries. An oral method wouldn't work as it would be very prone to mistakes when being passed from one person to the next.
Written accounts are just as prone to error: copying errors, mistranslation, outright redaction.... the list goes on and on. The difference between oral and written transmission is that the errors in the written version are easier to detect. We ca see what King James' translators did to their "originals" but we have no recordings of Moses telling bedtime stories to his grandchildren. If you want to claim that one method is better than the other you should choose oral because the evidence of the changes has been lost.
Dredge writes:
The Jews went to extreme lenghts to ensure that each and every word was accurately copied from one Bible copy to the next.
But the Christians didn't. They had a lot of axes to grind.
Dredge writes:
Human intelligence is infallible?
I didn't say that. I said it's correctable, even self-correcting, if you like. Intelligence is the ability to learn, to recognize mistakes and not make the same mistakes over and over again.
It's the opposite of literalism. Intelligence recognizes that there are errors in the Bible. Literalists try to twist reality to fit the errors.

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Message 1259 of 1311 (816500)
08-05-2017 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1230 by Faith
08-04-2017 3:55 PM


Re: seven "assumptions"
Faith writes:
Except those inspired by God.
Your fallible human mind is fooling you into thinking that.

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Message 1263 of 1311 (816507)
08-05-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1262 by Faith
08-05-2017 11:51 AM


Re: this preposterous method
Faith writes:
In the OT God says He always has a "remnant" who remain true even when the majority have gone off the rails.
The problem is that the ones who are off the rails think they're the remnant.

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ringo
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Message 1266 of 1311 (816511)
08-05-2017 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1264 by Faith
08-05-2017 11:54 AM


Re: this preposterous method
faith writes:
So you say.
So the Bible says:
quote:
Proverbs 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
More study, less mouth, and you might have a clue.

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ringo
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Message 1272 of 1311 (816518)
08-05-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1270 by Faith
08-05-2017 1:14 PM


Re: this preposterous method
Faith writes:
Putting good for evil and evil for good as you are doing is a very dangerous thing to do, are you unable to make a case without the personal accusation?
Your own posts accuse you. You claim infallibility in interpreting the Bible. You're idolizing yourself.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1304 of 1311 (816573)
08-06-2017 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1276 by Faith
08-05-2017 10:48 PM


Re: this preposterous method
Faith writes:
Everybody claims their view is the true one. So do you.
No I do not. I acknowledge that my view depends on evidence. You, on the other hand, claim to have special importation from God to recognize what is absolutely true.

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Message 1310 of 1311 (816624)
08-08-2017 11:49 AM


The key phrase is "makes sense". Sure, you can fiddle around in biology and do things by trial and error without it "making sense". But you can't make useful predictions about likely outcomes unless it "makes sense" in some way.
Creationism falls back on a gigantic question mark in the sky which doesn't explain anything. If it hasn't already told you the answer, you have no way of predicting what it might be. You have nothing but trial and error to work with.
Evolution is the only explanation of biology that "makes sense".

  
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