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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
https://www.usnews.com/...ack-changes-donald-trump-worldview
quote: Am I allowed to break forum rule #5, since the Dr. is making such a major habit of it in this thread?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Marc9000 thinks that having leaky windows, a bad furnace, and a polluting truck constitutes freedom. NoNukes thinks that leaky windows, a bad furnace, and a polluting truck are the government's business, or any liberal busybody's business, according to the Constitution. (I do have a 3 year old, high efficiency propane furnace that I paid for with my own money. I plead guilty as sin on the other two though.)
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
First, the fact that other presidents have changed their minds hardly proves that Trumo has not. If someone is claiming that Trump is doing everything he said he would do, providing counterexamples is a valid point. That's true, but the counterexamples are weak if all someone wants to do is post links and then run without showing interest in discussing them in his own words. Trump is guilty of being too impetuous in saying what he's thinking too quickly, but I don't think it's all that harmful. Showing that past presidents have done it too re-enforces that. I think he's proven that he thinks things through before he acts. Now as president, and earlier, in business. Trump is less likely than past presidents to change his mind when confronted with a briefcase full of cash from a special interest. I wouldn't want to be a special interest representative to attempt to do that with him.
Second this is not a dramatic change in Syria. The Assad regime has used poison gas before, in the early years of this conflict. The situation is not that different - but Trump's position has changed quite significantly. Fox News this morning was showing videos of Susan Rice, John Kerry, and Obama himself, (not too long ago), all claiming that Syria had absolutely no chemical weapons. It could have largely been those proclamations that caused Trump to make his earlier claims. This is one position change of his that is completely understandable.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
LNA's link writes: The effectiveness of these lobby groups is testimony of the power of organized groups to effect and resist change. "Lobbying" comes from every direction. There are plenty of lobby groups that are all about promoting change which can harm society. The insurance lobby and environmental lobby are major ones.
One day, the truth will be known by all and the obvious policy solution will be correctly seen as much more free trade in every genuine sense of the words FREE and OPEN. "Free and open" in International terms can cause a greater terrorist threat. And in the case of food, it can also mean a health threat. Those things have to be taken into consideration as well.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Do you think that covers things like promising health care that give better coverage and be cheaper than the ACA was just impetuous? Yes.
Do you know even now what Trump was thinking when he said that? No, I'm willing to give him more than 11 weeks to get it all established.
How in the world could anyone know that? Trump didn't seek the presidency for the money, unlike ALL of his immediate predecessors.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Because proof is "weak" ? That really doesn't make sense. Sometimes a basic, brief "proof" doesn't hold up under a thorough discussion. That's probably the reason forum rule #5 exists.
I don't think that ordering a bombing raid could be considered harmless. The bombing raid was an action he took, not something he said. He seemed to have thought it through carefully, in addition to consulting with his cabinet beforehand.
Since we don't know the state of his finances it's hard to be certain of that. I'm convinced that he didn't seek the presidency so he could make more money than he did, doing what he did before. His donating of his salary re-enforces that belief.
Were those before or after Syria started using gas on the rebels ? I don't know, and it doesn't matter to me. The fact is they HAD them, and Obama officials declared they didn't.
It seems to me that the earlier gas attacks should have caused a change of position. Apparently they did not. Earlier, as in, before he was president? Maybe so, I'm not familiar with them, their severity, or when they happened.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
What makes you think Trump did not seek the position for the money since it seems so far he has only used it to make money? He's donating his entire salary, that's not very profitable. What ways has he taken in money as president? I think his private jet was bigger than Air Force One. He lived in a more lavish place than the White House before he became president. What makes you think he sought the presidency to make money?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
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quote: quote: I heard a lot about all the hissing and booing going on when Ivanka was speaking publicly during her overseas visit. As the news media played the video clip a few days ago, I wasn't hearing it, but figured that I just had my volume too low or something. But no, now I find out it was just another U.S. News media lie. After listening again, it now sounds to me like the crowd was murmuring in agreement with what she was saying. How many people were again mis-lead by the lying U.S. news media? And how many more people WOKE UP to the truth about the U.S. news media?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
In all of them the jeering is plainly audible. In seconds 6,7, and 8, you're right. About 3 voices, maybe 4. Is that a "crowd"? To an unhinged news media, it must be!
marc9000 writes: After listening again, it now sounds to me like the crowd was murmuring in agreement with what she was saying. No it does not. At the 16 second mark, the "huh huh" sounds to me like another way to say "understatement of the century". Who knows, maybe it was more than 3 people we heard, it could have been 7 or 8 that the news media implied represent the entire German population. But back in Message 717, I described other fake news that you haven't addressed yet, so I'll repeat it here to make sure you see it.
quote: Bob Woodward recently said; "Mr. President, the media is not fake news". Sorry Bob, the evidence is in. I thought you evolutionists liked evidence?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
The media at large may well be more left oriented than center or right politically. In my opinion, they refuse to publish right wing news because they do not want to fall into the trap of giving free publicity. There are those who say that's exactly what they did FOR Trump. Their negativity against Trump brought him publicity that he needed. He played them like a fiddle. Maybe they're just now realizing it, and that's why they're veering even more left even now that they're being exposed on it more than ever.
I don't see that the media is overly biased....I only see that they are leaning more towards the political Left rather than the Right because they are educated, and most educated people are liberals. Most business school graduates are conservatives. That's an easy one Educated people are liberals because they got their education at liberal universities. Liberal universities give them a distorted view of actual history and human nature. Liberal college professors have an easy time showing students ON PAPER how much better socialism is than free markets. It might work on paper, but history shows it doesn't work nearly as well in the real world.
We have shifted politically as a nation and are now concentrating on making money and allies who will help that interest. Globalism is a real fear for many people. I agree we've shifted politically, but the U.S. has for 75 years or more concentrated on making money. The big recent shift has been so much more of the population demanding more and more routine living expenses be paid by society at large. Today's demand for free health care would have been laughable only 50 years ago.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
How did you count them? I listened with my ears. It wasn't that big of a crowd, it was a room with a few dozen people at the most. It was apparently mostly if not all German journalists. No one notable, no big politicians, no recognizable names at all, except for those speakers like Ivanka. And the jeers from a small handful of them made national news. That's probably a first for the U.S. news media.
You're referring here to Trump's unsubstantiated accusations against Obama? What do you expect, nightly updates? Well, for a long period we got nightly updates about liberal unsubstantiated accusations that Russia somehow saw to it that Trump won the election. Just tonight, we got breathless updates on ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT WITH DAVID MUIR, on unsubstantiated accusations that James Comey is now fully responsible for Hillary's loss, resulting in Trump's win. Nightly updates happen free, for liberal propaganda.
OMG, Marc. They broadcast the truth, and while doing so they provided an accurate caption, but --- with what devilish cunning! That's it exactly, they couldn't be called on a lie. The headline ~Trump; "Crossed a lot of lines"~, was exactly true, in that Trump SAID Assad crossed a lot of lines. The news was that Trump, and most of the civilized world, U.S. liberal politicians included believe it or not, thought that Assad did a terrible thing by using chemical weapons on his own people, very small children included. I've never taken an involved journalism class, but in high school English class we got some basics on how newspaper columns are supposed to work. We were taught that a news article with a headline and detailed description will be read very thoroughly by some readers, while other readers will only skim the headline and move on. And everything in between. Each sentence, if not each word, will be read progressively less as the article goes on. So the idea is to write it so the headline and the first few sentences are only basically informative, while more and more detail is included deeper and deeper into the article. Last parts of the article should never contradict what the beginning says, it should just re-inforce it. News reports on television are similar, the detailed talk going on should follow the basics that a caption provides. So the basic story was that Assad gassed his people, and most of the civilized world including Trump, criticized him for it. So we have the headline;
quote: As a non-journalist, let me pull another one out of thin air;
quote: Now let me identify them as I give you a multiple choice question; A) Trump;"Crossed A Lot Of Lines. B)Assad Crossed A Lot Of Lines. Which headline do you believe most accurately portrayed Assad's gassing of his own people? You can choose A, you can choose B, or you can call me names. Or maybe you could get a CROWD of your green dot providers to help you. Oh wait, there wasn't a crowd, there was only 3, about the same "crowd" that hissed and booed and jeered the ugly Ivanka. I look forward to your thoughtful, honest response.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
You assume that there are no pro-growth arguments for issues like free daycare, single payer healthcare, and free college. I know the arguments are there. But doing them at the federal level isn't constitutional, without some serious amending of the constitution, or nationwide issue votes.
TRUMP ISSUE Thank you, that's the thread's topic.
Trump being attacked is no proof of liberal bias. He is often attacked for being too anti war. Hillary Clinton just attacked him for his heretical willingness to engage in unilateral talks with North Korea. He was attacked for his opposition to overthrowing Assad too. The media attempted to sink him in the GOP primary and they did so in a way that made the other GOP radicals seem moderate or at least that's the way the media presentation went. The media thought Trump would collapse so they thought they were helping the eventual GOP nominee. This would all be going on (in a much milder form) with any newly elected Republican president. It's so much more intense against Trump because there is so much jealousy of him. Some because of his past business success, and as much or more because he's a 70 year old billionaire who still has plenty of ambition to accomplish more in his life.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
In defense of your post Marc9000, I must admit that the right wing echo chamber always seems to be in the thick of the woods TOTALLY LOST on the economic growth that a typical single payer healthcare system would bring. The confusion you have displayed clearly is due to your listening to the echo chamber uncritically. That echo chamber is the Constitution. It's not a socialist document, it's just not. Those on the left know it's not, so they have a choice - they can try to propose serious amendments to it or eliminate it and replace it completely, or they can pretend that it is flexible enough to accommodate all the socialism that someone like Bernie Sanders favors. They've obviously chosen the latter - it's easier for them to be sneaky and dishonest than it is to risk the serious attention and upheaval they'd get it they tried to claim the Constitution needs replacing because it's outdated.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
For those who want to keep score: which Republicans keep to a consistent message, and which ones will start the "yabbuts"? Here are the two Washington Post headlines, for the same actions; [June 30th, 2016, for Obama] "U.S. offers to share Syria intelligence on terrorists with Russia." [May 15th, 2017, for Trump]"Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian diplomats." A lot of people are keeping score of news media bias.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3
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quote: How about some line-by-line liberal rebuttals? Some you'll have an easy time with, others not so much.
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