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Topic: Is it "Politically Correct"...
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 6 of 195 (816919)
08-13-2017 2:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
08-13-2017 12:57 PM
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Faith writes: Threatening to kill Jews as one of the crowd did in an interview I heard in my opinion ought not to be allowed.
If "one of the crowd" made threats then he may be subject to prosecution but the crowd can not be held responsible.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 8 of 195 (816921)
08-13-2017 3:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
08-13-2017 2:52 PM
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Faith writes: If his statements do represent the published objectives of the organization, my question is whether an organization that threatens violence to the Jews, or to anybody, has the rights granted by the Bill of Rights.
I would say that other members of the organization should still have their rights. Authorities should only be able to deal with individuals who break the law; they should not be able to interfere with freedom of assembly.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 26 of 195 (816977)
08-14-2017 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by vimesey
08-13-2017 3:57 PM
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vimesey writes: If the KKK's official spokesperson incites violence against a racial group....
We're not talking about an official spokesman, are we? I thought we were talking about some guy in the crowd.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 33 by vimesey, posted 08-14-2017 3:57 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 27 of 195 (816979)
08-14-2017 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by Faith
08-13-2017 4:16 PM
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Re: the right to demonstrate, protest etc
Faith writes: The question I'm asking is whether an organization with stated objectives of violence toward anyone would legally be granted a right to protest or demonstrate in public.
You were talking about a guy in the crowd who may or may not be affiliated with any organization. If he parrots the official position of some organization, I don't see how that organization can be held responsible. If the organization had a right to assemble before he spoke, they should still have it.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 28 of 195 (816981)
08-14-2017 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
08-13-2017 4:37 PM
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Re: Freedom of Speech vs Hate Speech
Phat writes: What are the current laws regarding the distinction?
I have no idea. Of course they vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In the case that I have been talking about, I don't know if the individual is even a member of any organization. If an organization is not even aware of him, how can they be responsible for his actions? How can the crowd in general be responsible for his actions?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 30 of 195 (816983)
08-14-2017 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
08-14-2017 12:00 PM
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Re: the right to demonstrate, protest etc
Faith writes: I was asking a hypothetical question.
I was only addressing what you said, not the horse that you switched to in mid stream.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 31 by Faith, posted 08-14-2017 1:18 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 32 of 195 (816996)
08-14-2017 1:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
08-14-2017 1:18 PM
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Re: the right to demonstrate, protest etc
Faith writes: It's a better policy to follow the discussion.
The OP seems to be about tarring people with an unfair brush.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 34 of 195 (817068)
08-15-2017 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by vimesey
08-14-2017 3:57 PM
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vimesey writes: I believe they should be able to deal with associations of individuals also, when the associations are held to have broken the law.
Sure, but then you have to link the organization with the individual who actually committed the crime. If George happens to be a Freemason you can't charge the Freemasons with every crime that George commits.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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New Cat's Eye writes: ... are you on board with BLM being dealt with for this?
How do you "deal with" an organization? Lock up every member?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 39 of 195 (817089)
08-15-2017 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 37 by vimesey
08-15-2017 12:19 PM
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vimesey writes: ... but if the Freemasons were a white supremacist movement and their actions were intended to or likely to incite racial hatred, then they could indeed be prosecuted over here as an organisation, for that incitement. The actions of their members would be good evidence at the hearing.
That isn't a reply to what I said. We're not talking about actions of an organization; we're talking about actions of an individual who may be affiliated with that organization. Even if ideas inspire racial hatred, you shouldn't be able to prosecute everybody who expresses those ideas. You might as well prosecute the publishers who are still printing Mein Kampf.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 96 of 195 (817321)
08-16-2017 3:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Huntard
08-15-2017 5:40 PM
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Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Huntard writes: ... he believes the people he saw were Jews.
If he thinks their Jewishness is significant enough to mention, that smells like anti-Semitism to me.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
New Cat's Eye writes: Yeah, if some of those Klantards are actually Jews in disguise then that would be hilarious.
It would be even funnier if you killed a bunch of concentration camp inmates, put them in Polish uniforms and scattered them around the Polish border to justify the invasion. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 149 of 195 (817590)
08-18-2017 12:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
08-17-2017 5:25 PM
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Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes: Otherwise the impression is just that they are the South's war heroes and since we've all heard their names it's hard to think of them as representing racism.
Rommel was just a German war hero. Do you think statues of him wouldn't suggest Nazism at all?
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