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Author Topic:   What do you think of the evidence for psychic abilities?
LamarkNewAge
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Message 1 of 37 (816791)
08-11-2017 12:01 PM


I was a reading a book a while back, and I saw a quote, but never researched it.
It was a quote from the psychology expert Jefferson Fish.
quote:
[There are] Many isolated instances of amazing unexplained individual or shared experiences. There are, of course, alternative possible explanations for all of these events.
As a result, I'm inclined to be skeptical, but don't consider the case closed.
Here is the book I saw this quote in. It was a book by a skeptic.
50 Popular Beliefs That People Think Are True - Guy P. Harrison - Google Books
I don't know how much this topic needs to be discussed, but does anybody have any observations?
Have any knowledge of what Dr. Fish might be talking about?
I'm sure Matthew 24 might be able to be made relevant. Or Isaiah and Kings?
Any thoughts?

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 27 of 37 (817184)
08-15-2017 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Diomedes
08-15-2017 9:28 AM


U.S. government use of psychics.
quote:
Ultimately, none of the tests that were performed ever demonstrated any innate psychic capability. It literally became tantamount to just 'guessing' or turned out to be clever tricks to fool the eye. Keep in mind that DARPA and the CIA also did tests on this type of phenomenon back in the 1960s. And in those cases as well, nothing demonstrable ever materialized.
There is some controversy as to whether recently declassified documents present the whole truth.
I just found this out doing a google search (based on a N. Y. Post Story I read months ago, infact I saved the actual story in a plastic ziplock bag), but the sites wont let me paste.
The initial story I read is here from February 10, 2017.
US spy agencies hired psychics to help with Iran hostage crisis
This article referenced a Miami Herald story (from the same Feb 10 day), and the story quotes a psychic from the Operation who says that the government is holding back the successes stories but not telling us about the omissions. Here is the Herald story.
http://www.miamiherald.com/...national/article131827589.html
Sorry it couldn't paste but it has lots of good quotes (from good sources) and information, plus links. Hyperlinks to official government sites with transcripts and databases.
I got another article to paste a single paragraph. It has links.
quote:
If you ever wanted to know the CIA's secret recipe for invisible ink, how to spot spy messages hidden in suspicious fruit, or which top American spy was asked to appear in Penthouse magazine, you're in luck. Millions of pages of once-classified agency documents are now available for the first time on your home computer after the agency moved one of its data bases online.
http://www.miamiherald.com/...on-world/article129632384.html
Another really good New York Post article that has very important relevant interviews that seem to be based on original research from the nations oldest paper (as the Post is).
Inside the CIA psychic squad that helped get US hostages out of Iran
Sorry I cant get pasting to work, I hope the links at least work.

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Message 29 of 37 (817192)
08-15-2017 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by New Cat's Eye
08-14-2017 2:10 PM


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I have a cousin that I literally grew up along side. Sometime we wonder if we have a psychic connection, or something.
I have heard about stories like these (a man in Houston, who has a twin in San Diego, has told me stories), and they seem to possibly have something to them.
Some people get angry when asked for evidence though. They have this attitude that their personal experiences need no validation.
I am convinced that people believe their claims.

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Message 31 of 37 (817212)
08-15-2017 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Tanypteryx
08-15-2017 5:41 PM


Re: U.S. government use of psychics.
I knew that single paste would get me in trouble. The voluminous use of psychics shows the very real interest of the government, and there is detailed analysis and number crunching of the success and failure of Operation Grill Flame and others.
See the links.
They are actually quite detailed.
Phat had a good link too, but the referenced journals aren't available for the public. The Psychology Today article referenced journal papers and they indeed had amazing success stories (it seems).
My links have available data, that can be read by all. And they aren't fringe sources. (despite the voluminous and at times silly subject matter)

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