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Author Topic:   What do you think of the evidence for psychic abilities?
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Message 18 of 37 (817004)
08-14-2017 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
08-14-2017 3:40 PM


Faith writes:
I have the impression that nothing has been positively proved against such claims either though, correct me if I'm wrong. All Randi can do is show that he can fake the same thing a person claimed happened, right? That doesn't prove that the person who claimed it faked it. Or you may be able to come up with a plausible alternative explanation. But that's not proof either.
The burden of proof resides with the person claiming to have psychic powers.
James Randi and company (e.g. Penn and Teller) know how these tricks work. They have even performed these tricks. What they do is set up conditions where the claimed psychic can't use sleight of hand or other methods to make it appear as if they have supernatural powers. Wouldn't you know it, their magical powers suddenly disappear under those conditions.

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Message 26 of 37 (817053)
08-15-2017 11:07 AM
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08-14-2017 6:41 PM


Faith writes:
Does investigation actually "reveal some natural process at work," or is it just that if the investigator can dream up a plausible naturalistic explanation it's accepted without actual evidence?
In this case, it is a matter of the magicians knowing natural processes that can produce the same observations. In fact, they can demonstrate that those natural processes can produce those observations. Houdini was another famous magician who exposed the tricks that supposed psychics, mediums, and mentalists used. Randi, Penn, and Teller are continuing the tradition that Houdini started. What Randi does is set up an experiment where those sleights of hand, misdirections, and other tricks are taken out of the equation.
For example, Randi and most magicians can make a card appear out of thin air, or at least that's what it looks like to an untrained eye. There are several sleights of hand that allow you to do this. What Randi would do to see if this really were a supernatural event is have the magician strip down to limited clothing, examine the magician from head to foot, and then have the magician attempt to make the card appear. I can almost guarantee that no magician could make a card appear out of thin air if Randi set up the experiment.
I don't know why anybody would expect psychic phenomena to be produceable on demand, but since it isn't, that is made an excuse to dismiss the whole idea.
Uri Geller could make a spoon bend on demand, and he claimed it was due to psychic powers. Uri Geller was one of the first psychics that Randi exposed.

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Message 28 of 37 (817187)
08-15-2017 5:35 PM
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08-15-2017 10:24 AM


Faith writes:
Nobody should make such claims; I don't know why they do. They can only have such experiences sporadically it seems to me, there isn't anything predictable about them so there isn't anything testable about them. But maybe something else is going on here I need to think about.
That is exactly what we would expect from someone who falsely claims that they have psychic powers.
Let's use an example. I claim that I can use psychic powers to predict which card you are thinking of. However, those psychic powers only work some of the time. As it turns out, my psychic powers only work about once out of every 52 tries. Are you amazed by my psychic powers?

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Message 34 of 37 (817385)
08-17-2017 10:39 AM
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08-17-2017 10:14 AM


Re: Life is stranger than fiction
1.61803 writes:
Top gun pilots are able to make microsecond adjustments at mach speeds to avoid death.
Is it possible for the brain to somehow have access to events microseconds before the event happens?
Hours of training seems like a much more likely explanation for those fast reflexes. Due to "muscle memory", they are able to quickly react to a situation without needing to think about it, just like you are able to type without thinking about every keystroke.

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Message 36 of 37 (817403)
08-17-2017 11:43 AM
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08-17-2017 11:29 AM


Re: Life is stranger than fiction
1.61803 writes:
I do not dispute that training and muscle memory can influence a positive outcome hence why they are trained. But many of the best of the best have been described as having "The edge".
Some people are better at physical and/or athletic tasks than others. Not everyone can hit a 100 mph fastball as well as Ted Williams. People being better than others at a task doesn't need any paranormal explanations, at least in my opinion.

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