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Faith 
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Message 74 of 195 (817208)
08-15-2017 5:58 PM
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08-15-2017 5:50 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
I'm sure the white supremacist I heard would kill all the Jews, and they need to be called out on it. That doesn't change the fact that there is in reality a Leftist Jewish conspiracy against western civilization as well as Jews who are avid American patriots who oppose them. I think it's important to make distinctions like this or the white supremacists are going to continue to target all Jews and not just the leftist conspiracy group.

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Message 77 of 195 (817211)
08-15-2017 6:08 PM
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08-15-2017 6:03 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
But if we don't make such distinctions we guarantee they'll never learn anything. Since they consider themselves patriots defending "white" culture they need to be reminded that there are patriots in every racial group that support western (not "white") culture and civilization. This isn't about race and that has to be said as much as possible.

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Message 82 of 195 (817229)
08-16-2017 12:23 AM
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08-15-2017 11:56 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
I suppose the conspiracy would be to make the whole demonstration flagrantly racist by the presence of the KKK. Apparently thinking the white supremacists themselves weren't enough for that purpose.
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Message 85 of 195 (817234)
08-16-2017 12:48 AM
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08-16-2017 12:33 AM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Actually, that's why I took down that paragraph, the South was a monument to slavery and racism. I have to agree. If Russia took down statues of Lenin and Iraq took down statues of Saddam Hussein (although he was arguably less of a problem than what followed) I guess we have to take down statues of the defenders of slavery. Maybe someone could change my mind again, have to see.
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Message 87 of 195 (817236)
08-16-2017 12:54 AM
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08-16-2017 12:33 AM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Either the KKK was there or Jones saw it being impersonated.
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Faith 
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Message 90 of 195 (817242)
08-16-2017 1:20 AM
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08-16-2017 1:15 AM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
I just listened to that video of Jones again and now it's not clear to me what it's about. He's talking about something that happened eighteen years ago, not in this recent demonstration. He is talking about more than one occasion where he saw Jewish Leftists impersonating the KKK. He's also protesting the KKK in the video he's showing.
Now I don't know what all this is about.
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Message 98 of 195 (817359)
08-16-2017 9:56 PM


who did what?
I hadn't yet read any of my favorite conservative sources when I commented on this event, had only seen the brief accounts at Yahoo. Now I've read David Horowitz at his Front Page Mag (The Real Race War) where he points out that no matter how objectionable the white racist group is, the Leftist protestors are as bad, and they showed up where they had no permission to show up, obviously with the intent of clashing with the white group.
He says the group protesting the removal of historical monuments had a permit. It took them two tries to get a permit, and it was the ACLU that made it happen. They had a permit for a particular park. Then the violently racist groups BLM and Antifa got permits also, but for different parks since they aren't issued for the same location where another demonstration is going on. But nevertheless they went to the same park, probably to start fights with the first group of protestors.
Those groups are very large; the white supremacists got out only few hundred. Of course with both in the same park there were going to be fights.
So why is Trump being criticized for not denouncing the white group more strenuously? What makes them deserve his denunciation more than the equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups?
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Faith 
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Message 105 of 195 (817401)
08-17-2017 11:28 AM


I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Seems to me I condemned the white racist group pretty definitely so attributing any kind of support for them to me is wacko. I wouldn't even grant a permit to demonstrate to an organization that advocates "killing Jews."
It also seems to me that Horowitz's article in Front Page (not Breitbart, Phat) was pretty fair, but I have the feeling Phat is the only one who read it. He certainly didn't defend the white supremacists, he merely pointed out that they were apparently peacefully assembled for their protest and the Leftists crashed the party. The Leftists did have permits but not permits for that same park.
Yes it was a white supremacist who drove the car into the Leftist crowd. But the point here is that if you're going to condemn one hateful racist group you should also condemn the others, and BLM and Antifa are hateful racist groups that have threatened to kill "white people" and in the case of BLM have already killed many cops. I wouldn't have granted them permits either, but since they had them I would have wanted the cops to be sure they stayed in the location the permits were for.
Horowitz and others have been talking for some time now about the growing Leftist/Marxist hate rhetoric against "white people," as well as the murders of cops by the BLM which get hardly any mainstream coverage, and in this case he points out that the white supremacists are so negligible in numbers there really isn't much of a white supremacist presence in the country at all; and all the rage against Trump as if he was their supporter is just stirred up as part of all the fake news we get daily in the effort to bring him down. The fact is that the Leftist groups are far more numerous and just as racist and murderous.

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Faith 
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Message 108 of 195 (817434)
08-17-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Joe T
08-17-2017 12:53 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
How could there be two such entirely different sets of facts?
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Faith 
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Message 109 of 195 (817447)
08-17-2017 1:51 PM
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08-17-2017 11:45 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
If the version that says the Nazi group was the instigators is true they should not have been allowed to demonstrate at all.
But neither should BLM or Antifa.

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Faith 
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Message 111 of 195 (817451)
08-17-2017 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by PaulK
08-17-2017 2:00 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
I think those who want another Holocaust of the Jews should not ever be given a public voice, and any violent actions or even threats of violence should be prosecuted..
On the other hand my impression is that BLM for sure and possibly also Antifa, want a Holocaust of the white race.
they shoujldn't be given a public voice either and there should be serious police action taken against these groups.
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Faith 
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Message 113 of 195 (817454)
08-17-2017 2:21 PM
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08-17-2017 2:18 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
The evidence is good that the BLM are out to kill cops and white people and are happy to say so. And maybe of interest, I've found many black voices at You Tube who condemn them as racist and murderous.
The weird thing is that there are white people who hate white people these days. It's the PC Leftist thing to do.

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Faith 
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Message 121 of 195 (817465)
08-17-2017 3:25 PM
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08-17-2017 2:50 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
I bring BLM and Antifa into it because Horowitz did:
In short, there were two demonstrations in Charlottesville - a legal protest by Unite the Right and one protest by the vigilantes of Antifa and Black Lives Matter. Who started the fight is really immaterial. Both sides were prepared for violence because these conflicts are already a pattern of our deteriorating civic life. Once the two sides had gathered in the same place, the violence was totally predictable. Two parties, two culpabilities; but except for the initial statement of President Trump, condemning both sides, only one party has been held accountable, and that happens to be the one that was in the park legally.
He is commenting on Saturday, you seem to be commenting only on Friday. Perhaps different groups of counter protestors were involved?
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Faith 
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Message 123 of 195 (817468)
08-17-2017 5:13 PM
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08-17-2017 3:55 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Horowitz did not defend the white supremacist group and I don't know why you all act like he did, or I did. I wish they were never allowed any kind of public forum and I'm sorry it was allowed in Charlottesville.
Horowitz apparently believes there was a strong BLM and Antifa presence there. Maybe he's wrong but I can't tell much about anything at this point. I watched the video Huntard posted and I don't know who was there, it's all a blur. I read some of Breitbart's timeline but my eyes won't hold up for the whole thing, but from what I did manage to read it's clear that in past similar rallies there has been a BLM and Antifa presence.
I have no idea what's in the picture at FPM you say isn't from Charlottesville. It looks like a melee of some sort, how do you kinow it isn't from the Charlottesville melee?
The connection with the statue is that they identify it with their white culture and Jews and blacks with the haters of their culture. It's not too hard to figure out.
They're way out of line but since it's the Left calling for pulling down the statues, the Left denouncing the "white race" and pursuing lots of similar anti-American positions, they have a grain of truth on their side. They are reacting to the same Leftist stuff I hate, only I also hate their racism and violence just as much.
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Faith 
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Message 125 of 195 (817472)
08-17-2017 5:25 PM
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08-17-2017 5:21 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
If the statues were in fact intended to represent white supremacy and slavery that should be made a lot clearer. Otherwise the impression is just that they are the South's war heroes and since we've all heard their names it's hard to think of them as representing racism.
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