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Message 44 of 195 (817165)
08-15-2017 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
08-15-2017 2:26 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Faith writes:
There are many strongly Leftist Jews. There are also many strongly Rightist Jews. ABE: David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Mark Levin come to mind and at least Horowitz and Savage appear on Alex Jones' show from time to time.
I don't see how that addresses what was said. One of the more popular voices on the political right is accusing jews of faking the riots. This anti-Semitism goes back more than a century, such as the Dreyfus Affair and Hitler's non-stop accusation of a world wide Jewish conspiracy against the Aryan people.

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Message 58 of 195 (817183)
08-15-2017 5:26 PM
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08-15-2017 4:40 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Huntard writes:
I don't entirely agree with this statement. He specifically names the "leftist jews", and also adds "nothing against jews in general". So I think he's more upset with them being "leftist" than them being jews.
That's like someone saying that they have no problem with black people, just those "uppity niggers".

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Message 61 of 195 (817190)
08-15-2017 5:37 PM
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08-15-2017 5:35 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Huntard writes:
Granted, it's from 2011, so maybe he changed his views, but I think you guys are reading way too much into this.
Why did he say "leftist Jews" instead of just "leftists"? What was the purpose of singling out Jews from all the other leftists?

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Message 69 of 195 (817202)
08-15-2017 5:48 PM
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08-15-2017 5:40 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Huntard writes:
Well, one: he wants that anti-semite money. And two: he believes the people he saw were Jews.
Just as Hitler believed that there was a Jewish banking conspiracy that was taking money from the Aryans in Germany.

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Message 71 of 195 (817204)
08-15-2017 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
08-15-2017 5:37 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Faith writes:
There are known Jewish leftist conspiracies, they ARE Jewish and they ARE leftist.
Again, this is the same argument that Hitler used.
Well some Jews do look Jewish, that's not anti-Semitism, it's fact. Some Jews DON'T look Jewish. He said these looked Jewish. Not having seen them I don't know what I would think but I don't see any reason to assume he made it up.
Hitler also put people in death camps because they "looked jewish".
What we are seeing is a political movement that lacks morality and lacks accountability to the point that they will dig deep in the well of racial hatred to bring out Jewish conspiracies as a reason to deflect blame.

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Message 94 of 195 (817281)
08-16-2017 11:18 AM
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08-15-2017 5:58 PM


Re: And Alex Jones blames...Jews
Faith writes:
That doesn't change the fact that there is in reality a Leftist Jewish conspiracy against western civilization as well as Jews who are avid American patriots who oppose them.
Your definition of "fact" differs from what everyone else uses. What you have is a bare assertion, and a rather ugly one at that.

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Message 103 of 195 (817393)
08-17-2017 10:58 AM
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08-16-2017 9:56 PM


Re: who did what?
Faith writes:
I hadn't yet read any of my favorite conservative sources when I commented on this event, had only seen the brief accounts at Yahoo. Now I've read David Horowitz at his Front Page Mag (The Real Race War) where he points out that no matter how objectionable the white racist group is, the Leftist protestors are as bad, and they showed up where they had no permission to show up, obviously with the intent of clashing with the white group.
Yep, just like these really bad leftists who confronted Nazis in the 1940's:

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Message 106 of 195 (817405)
08-17-2017 11:45 AM
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08-17-2017 11:28 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
He certainly didn't defend the white supremacists, he merely pointed out that they were apparently peacefully assembled for their protest and the Leftists crashed the party.
The white supremacists showed up armed with shields, clubs, and in some instances with guns. Peace was not on their agenda, and it never has been.

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Message 116 of 195 (817458)
08-17-2017 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
08-17-2017 1:51 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
If the version that says the Nazi group was the instigators is true they should not have been allowed to demonstrate at all.
But neither should BLM or Antifa.
Let me get this straight. If bigots, fascists, and racists aren't allowed to march, then people promoting equality, fairness, and peaceful democracy should not be allowed to march either? Seriously?

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Message 118 of 195 (817461)
08-17-2017 2:44 PM
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08-17-2017 2:40 PM


Re: Another question
PaulK writes:
If, as I have heard, a fair number of these statues are cheap junk churned out in the 1950s and 60s to oppose the Civil Rights movement isn't it quite reasonable to remove those ?
There were many statues that were erected in the early 1900's as the civil rights movement gained strength. That same time period saw the resurgence of the KKK, lynchings, and other overt racist acts of violence. The intent of the statues was clear. It was white supremacists marking their territory, like a dog peeing on a tree. This is also why many of them were erected in front of courthouses.

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Message 126 of 195 (817473)
08-17-2017 5:26 PM
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08-17-2017 5:13 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
Horowitz apparently believes there was a strong BLM and Antifa presence there.
That is propaganda meant to support the white supremacists. Just the name "Antifa" should tell you what is going on. It is short for anti-fascists. Guess who anti-fascists protest against? Fascists. What is fascism?
"Fascism /ˈfʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, "
Fascism - Wikipedia
Fascism is the use of violence to support a nationalist political agenda. Sound familiar?

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Message 127 of 195 (817474)
08-17-2017 5:27 PM
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08-17-2017 5:25 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
If the statues were in fact intended to represent white supremacy and slavery that should be made a lot clearer.
You shouldn't limit yourself to far right media sources.

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Message 129 of 195 (817478)
08-17-2017 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
08-17-2017 5:31 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
I can't tell how much BLM or Antifa presence might have been at the weekend rallies but as Breitbart reports they have certainly been a presence at other similar rallies over the last few months.
One side is built on centuries of racism and violence, including the lynching of hundreds of black people.
The other side thinks that black lives matter.
Are you saying they are morally equivalent?

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Message 131 of 195 (817481)
08-17-2017 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Faith
08-17-2017 5:37 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
I'm saying Black Lives Matter is violent and racist and have committed murders.
Here is their website:
Just a moment...
Can you point to where they advocate for racism or violence?
They were also formed on refusing to recognize that it was criminal behavior that provoked the cops they now want to kill for doing their duty.
They formed around multiple instances where cops shot and killed unarmed black men. They want EQUAL justice, and that isn't racist.

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Message 134 of 195 (817489)
08-17-2017 6:07 PM
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08-17-2017 5:47 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:
The black men were charging at the cops, provoking them, trying to take away their weapon, or behaving in a way that scared the cop; in a few of the cases the cops were responding to their criminal activity. In some cases the cop probably acted rashly, but you can't say they weren't provoked. I can't think of ONE case where this is not true. Can you?
In most cases, we just have the word of the cop. As we have seen in many other cases, cops are not always reliable as witnesses.
In one case, a black man announced he was armed. He was asked to get his ID, and when he did so he was shot. They had been pulled over for a broken tail light, and just the fact that he was a black man carrying a gun was enough to get him shot.
Philando Castile shooting: Dashcam video shows rapid event | CNN

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