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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I bring BLM and Antifa into it because Horowitz did:
In short, there were two demonstrations in Charlottesville - a legal protest by Unite the Right and one protest by the vigilantes of Antifa and Black Lives Matter. Who started the fight is really immaterial. Both sides were prepared for violence because these conflicts are already a pattern of our deteriorating civic life. Once the two sides had gathered in the same place, the violence was totally predictable. Two parties, two culpabilities; but except for the initial statement of President Trump, condemning both sides, only one party has been held accountable, and that happens to be the one that was in the park legally. He is commenting on Saturday, you seem to be commenting only on Friday. Perhaps different groups of counter protestors were involved? The Real Race War | FrontpageMag
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Joe T Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 41 From: Virginia Joined:
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OK I read Horowitz's column. I was not impressed. Tell me how chanting, "Jews will not replace us" has anything to do with a civil war statue. Tell me how screaming, "you sound like a nigger" at the counter protesters has anything to do with the statue. The statue was a convenient excuse. The people Friday night were the same as the ones that came Saturday except on Saturday the ones with guns showed up.
Also I find it quite dishonest that he prints a picture that isn't even from Charlottesville at the head of the article. What he showed there did not happen in Charlottesville. Also BLM was not a presence there. Also, as Brietbart noted in their timeline, the Nazis started the major violence by charging a line of unarmed citizens in a church parking lot. He has an agenda and honestly assessing the events from Charlottesville isn't part of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Horowitz did not defend the white supremacist group and I don't know why you all act like he did, or I did. I wish they were never allowed any kind of public forum and I'm sorry it was allowed in Charlottesville.
Horowitz apparently believes there was a strong BLM and Antifa presence there. Maybe he's wrong but I can't tell much about anything at this point. I watched the video Huntard posted and I don't know who was there, it's all a blur. I read some of Breitbart's timeline but my eyes won't hold up for the whole thing, but from what I did manage to read it's clear that in past similar rallies there has been a BLM and Antifa presence. I have no idea what's in the picture at FPM you say isn't from Charlottesville. It looks like a melee of some sort, how do you kinow it isn't from the Charlottesville melee? The connection with the statue is that they identify it with their white culture and Jews and blacks with the haters of their culture. It's not too hard to figure out. They're way out of line but since it's the Left calling for pulling down the statues, the Left denouncing the "white race" and pursuing lots of similar anti-American positions, they have a grain of truth on their side. They are reacting to the same Leftist stuff I hate, only I also hate their racism and violence just as much. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I was not impressed. Tell me how chanting, "Jews will not replace us" has anything to do with a civil war statue. Tell me how screaming, "you sound like a nigger" at the counter protesters has anything to do with the statue. If you look at the history of the Jim Crow era South and the history of when and why those statues were originally erected, the you'll see that those chants pretty much are what those statues are about.Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. — Stephen Marche
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If the statues were in fact intended to represent white supremacy and slavery that should be made a lot clearer. Otherwise the impression is just that they are the South's war heroes and since we've all heard their names it's hard to think of them as representing racism.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: Horowitz apparently believes there was a strong BLM and Antifa presence there. That is propaganda meant to support the white supremacists. Just the name "Antifa" should tell you what is going on. It is short for anti-fascists. Guess who anti-fascists protest against? Fascists. What is fascism? "Fascism /ˈfʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, "Fascism - Wikipedia Fascism is the use of violence to support a nationalist political agenda. Sound familiar?
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Faith writes: If the statues were in fact intended to represent white supremacy and slavery that should be made a lot clearer. You shouldn't limit yourself to far right media sources.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It is beyond absurd to attribute any sort of pro-white supremacy to David Horowitz.
I can't tell how much BLM or Antifa presence might have been at the weekend rallies but as Breitbart reports they have certainly been a presence at other similar rallies over the last few months.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: I can't tell how much BLM or Antifa presence might have been at the weekend rallies but as Breitbart reports they have certainly been a presence at other similar rallies over the last few months. One side is built on centuries of racism and violence, including the lynching of hundreds of black people. The other side thinks that black lives matter. Are you saying they are morally equivalent?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are one of the most underhanded debaters I've ever encountered.
I'm saying Black Lives Matter is violent and racist and have committed murders. They were also formed on refusing to recognize that it was criminal behavior that provoked the cops they now want to kill for doing their duty. I'm not even sure they have a single justified complaint. They are irrationally racist and violent and they are pawns of the Left. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: I'm saying Black Lives Matter is violent and racist and have committed murders. Here is their website: Just a moment... Can you point to where they advocate for racism or violence?
They were also formed on refusing to recognize that it was criminal behavior that provoked the cops they now want to kill for doing their duty. They formed around multiple instances where cops shot and killed unarmed black men. They want EQUAL justice, and that isn't racist.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The black men were charging at the cops, provoking them, trying to take away their weapon, or behaving in a way that scared the cop; in a few of the cases the cops were responding to their criminal activity. In some cases the cop probably acted rashly, but you can't say they weren't provoked. I can't think of ONE case where this is not true. Can you?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A couple of very sad cases:
Garner selling cigarettes. Cops overreacted under the direction of a BLACK supervisor, and Garner died by accident due to the way they held him down. The boy in the park with the toy gun. The cops thought it was real, overreacted.; Really sad case. The guy who bolted during a routine stop was outright murdered by the cop, and that was caught on video. But the cop has been prosecuted so you can't say that's a case of cops getting away with murder. Guy in handcuffs who died in the back of a police car from being knocked around since he wasn't restrained. Severe negligence on the part of the BLACK driver. But that case too has been prosecuted,l hasn't it? Find me ONE case where an innocent black man was killed for no reason at all and the cop got awy free. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: The black men were charging at the cops, provoking them, trying to take away their weapon, or behaving in a way that scared the cop; in a few of the cases the cops were responding to their criminal activity. In some cases the cop probably acted rashly, but you can't say they weren't provoked. I can't think of ONE case where this is not true. Can you? In most cases, we just have the word of the cop. As we have seen in many other cases, cops are not always reliable as witnesses. In one case, a black man announced he was armed. He was asked to get his ID, and when he did so he was shot. They had been pulled over for a broken tail light, and just the fact that he was a black man carrying a gun was enough to get him shot.Philando Castile shooting: Dashcam video shows rapid event | CNN
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That is a very recent case. I'm addressing the cases that supposedly are the reason for BLM. That recent case is another case of a cop rashly overreacting, to a really extreme degree, but I don't think you can call for murdering all coops on the basis of that kind of overreaction, which could only get worse with that kind of "solution" anyway.
As for only having the word of the cop, most of the cases I've referred to I've seen on video, and in the case of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin I've read the evidence against them and it is convincing that they acted provocatively.
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