Is it "Politically Correct"...

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Honestly? Are you really not following what I'm saying? They're not mutually exclusive.

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Dramatically changing your story when it turns out to be obviously incorrect is not exactly a sign of good faith.

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But even if it were true, it would simply be pandering by a guy getting paid to do it.

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It is certainly true.And I never said that Alex Jones believes what he says. If he says something anti-Semitic it's anti-Semitic whether it's pandering or not.

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Nor is lying to me about what I said - I haven't changed a thing.

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It certainly can't be the case that he isn't implying that they are all Jews and that he has to imply that they are all Jews. And given that he starts by alleging a conspiracy I don't see how it would be less funny if he said "some of them are Jews" in there.And while he didn't say that all the KKK guys were Jews he didn't say anything about non-Jews being infiltrators at all. And we have multiple references to their Jewishness and only one mention of "leftists" - and that was "leftist Jews" "Cast of Seinfeld" "Jewish actors" "leftists Jews" "they all look like Howard Stern". Get it ?

If we're asking "who did what?" let's start with an easy one.Who drove a car into a crowd, killing one person and injuring seventeen more ?

In fairness I think that people who want another Holocaust are worse than those who don't.

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On the other hand my impression is that BLM for sure and possibly also Antifa, want a Holocaust of the white race.

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I'm pretty sure that a lot of the Antifa are white. And as for BLM I think you've been listening to too much racist propaganda. Have any BLM members outright threatened to have people shoved into ovens ?

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The evidence is good that the BLM are out to kill cops and white people and are happy to say so. And maybe of interest, I've found many black voices at You Tube who condemn them as racist and murderous.

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Well, I've seen none of that and I know that you don't always accurately represent your sources.

If, as I have heard, a fair number of these statues are cheap junk churned out in the 1950s and 60s to oppose the Civil Rights movement isn't it quite reasonable to remove those ?

Are you arguing that accidental deaths are entirely acceptable?Isn't it reasonable to argue that more should be done to try to prevent such deaths ?And if a murdering cop was only caught because his actions were recorded in video how do you know that there aren't other cases where such evidence wasn't available ? Isn't it reasonable to suppose that there are at least some ? And that the murdering cops lied about what happened - as Michael Slager did ?Think about it. It's pretty hard for a cop to get away free if there is solid evidence of murder (although it sadly seems that getting convictions can be hard even when there is good evidence Judge Declares Mistrial ).The mere fact that a cop was caught murdering a man and lying about it - and came worryingly close to getting away with it makes it virtually certain that there are other cases where the cop was not caught.

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Don't be ricdiculous, of course not. I'm arguing that they don't show racist intentions and don't deserve wholesale cop murder in retaliation

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Since nobody here is suggesting that wholesale cop murder is even remotely acceptable you are the one being ridiculous. But if accidents of this sort happen it is hardly unreasonable to suggest that something should be done and if they happen disproportionately to Blacks...

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Sure, but in your opinion is taking to the streets and burning down buildings and attacking people and murdering cops doing more to prevent such deaths?

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Certainly not.

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There no doubt have been other such incidents,

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You are missing the point. You said:

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Find me ONE case where an innocent black man was killed for no reason at all and the cop got awy free.

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And I point out that the there very likely - almost certainly - have been such cases. It's just that proving an individual case rather works against the "cop got away free" part.

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but BLM is BASED ON the ones I've referred to, ones where there is NO justification whatever that I can see, involving an absolute denial of black criminality and black provocation of the cops.

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Because obviously the kid with a toy gun was a criminal....I think you have made it adequately clear that you do NOT think it reasonable to suggest that there should be fewer such deaths.

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Why now when there IS better evidence is a murdering destructive rampage considered justifiable? Now when presumably it should be easier to make the case you want to see made?

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Ask people who say it's justifiable.But in return I'll ask you what's the point in smearing BLM ? Do you just think that unjustifiable deaths are worth it if you can hurt the Left ?

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Look, you've been implying that BLM's tactics are fine with you up until this post when you've decided to upbraid me for supposing that. I haven't seen you decrying their violence until now.

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My only comment on this supposed violence so far is to say that I haven't seen the evidence that BLM are anything like as bad as you say they are. I'm not about to condemn alleged violence until I know it's actually happened.

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There were two cases of cops being provoked: Michael Brown who was involved in a petty crime the officer was responding to, who then attacked the officer; and Trayvon Martin who threatened whatshisname, not a cop exactly but in a position of authority.

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Zimmerman was only a neighbourhood watch coordinator who took it upon himself to stalk Trayvon Martin - not a police officer or a security guard. Zimmerman was the one with a gun and we only have his story about what happened. While he was cleared legally it was more because we don't know what happened than because we know he's innocent.You are on firmer ground with Michael Brown.

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I am certainly in favor of doing something to avoid such incidents. How about a program of educating the black community not to threaten cops, not to resist arrest, keep your hands visible, like on the steering wheel, and don't go waving around toy guns? I don't see what the cops themselves could have done differently in any of those situations. Do you?

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Not so long ago you were comparing the Bundy situation with Waco, but only one of the Bundy's supporters was killed (one of the occupiers of the wildlife refuge), and it seems that he actually was reaching for a gun.Teaching officers to be less trigger happy would be a start. Is cooperating with police enough when even that didn't save the guy shot in his car ? In neither case was there any need to shoot

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I don't remember all that clearly I admit but I had the impression that there was both witness evidence and some kind of physical evidence that Trayvon Martin acted in a threatening manner. But maybe I'm confusing him with Michael Brown.

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Witness statements did not who identify how the fight started, but it is entirely possible that Zimmerman provoked Martin more than the other way around. Also, as I pointed out Zimmerman had no authority.

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As for "teaching officers to be less trigger happy" the problem is that if the cop is scared, which I agree is hard to justify in the case of the shooting of the guy in his car, how do you teach a cop not to be fearful? The guy was cooperative by the sound of his voice and I would think the cop could tell that too, but apparently he moved his hand out of sight and that is what scared the cop

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The way I remember it, he was reaching for his license papers, as instructed.More to the point, police officers should not be keen to shoot first - yes, it is sometimes risky, but that is a part of the job. Shooting should be saved for when it is needed - and panic is something that ought to be avoided in all cases.

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but basic rules of how not to be threatening should be teachable.

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You'd think that a guy who was helpless after a minor stroke would not be threatening. He still got tased for not responding to police officer's demands.