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Topic: Is it "Politically Correct"...
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 101 of 195 (817373)
08-17-2017 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
08-16-2017 9:56 PM
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Re: who did what?
no matter how objectionable the white racist group is, the Leftist protestors are as bad, Bullshit.
and they showed up where they had no permission to show up, obviously with the intent of clashing with the white group Bullshit. They had two permits.
So why is Trump being criticized for not denouncing the white group more strenuously? What makes them deserve his denunciation more than the equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups? Because there are no equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups, and Trump is supporting the Nazis who make up a significant portion of his base.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 115 of 195 (817457)
08-17-2017 2:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
08-17-2017 2:21 PM
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Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Let's see this evidence.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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It's worth pointing out that there were no BLM chants of "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now."
Chants Encounter
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 141 of 195 (817554)
08-18-2017 9:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
08-18-2017 8:51 AM
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Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
BLM is BASED ON the ones I've referred to, ones where there is NO justification whatever that I can see, involving an absolute denial of black criminality and black provocation of the cops. And most of those were due to cops overreacting from fear, so I would assume there would be many more of those unrecorded as well. They are entitled to their opinion. None of those case or the subsequent discussion is evidence for "my impression is that BLM for sure and possibly also Antifa, want a Holocaust of the white race" or "The evidence is good that the BLM are out to kill cops and white people and are happy to say so. " Got any? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 150 of 195 (817596)
08-18-2017 1:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
08-17-2017 5:25 PM
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Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
If the statues were in fact intended to represent white supremacy and slavery that should be made a lot clearer. It's clear to many many many people, including those who know the history.
Otherwise the impression is just that they are the South's war heroes and since we've all heard their names it's hard to think of them as representing racism. Maybe hard for you. Exceptionally easy for lots of others.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 156 of 195 (817664)
08-19-2017 8:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 154 by Faith
08-18-2017 7:43 PM
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That's meaningless, Mod, without knowing the circumstances in each case. Five of the seven examples I gave were justifiable or accidental or the result of fear on the cop's part, one of the remaining two was criminal negligence, the other was outright murder. And none of them had anything to do with your claim that BLM is a violent organization. You got nuttin' but hate.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 159 of 195 (817667)
08-19-2017 9:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
08-19-2017 9:02 AM
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I wasn't specifically addressing the question of BLM violence, just their utter lack of justification for their whole project, even just demonstrating against the cops, in the examples they themselves point to as their justification. As American citizens they are entitled to have and voice (legally) their opinions.
As for violence, NCE has posted some evidence of their shouting about killing cops. That's on the same level as the white supremacists shouting about the evil Jews It's worth pointing out that there were no BLM chants of "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now."
Chants Encounter There was a protest at which they chanted "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon". The organizer had a pretty feeble explanation. I certainly condemn such actions. "Pigs in a blanket" chant at Minnesota fair riles police But you need to establish a pattern in BLM and their actions, not one or two isolated incidents. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 164 of 195 (817778)
08-20-2017 9:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 162 by Faith
08-19-2017 10:36 PM
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Re: Boston
Bullshit. I live in the area and saw all the videos. The Trump supporters were escorted through the peaceful crowd and held their rally with counterprotesters held about 50 yards away by fencing. Nothing resembling a weapon was allowed in the area, including flagpoles, There was a little roughhousing and at least one punch thrown. But nobody drove a car into a crowd. Free speech was not squelched. The few free-speech protesters held their rally uninterrupted and unbothered. Their rally was held in the granite structre at the middle right below, and the counterprotesters were kept far away:
as I've been able to find out it wasn't white supremacists Haven't looked very hard, have you? Speakers at ‘free speech’ rally dropping out - The Boston Globe
The MSM didn't even mention the involvement of BLM and Antifa Bullshit. Boston: Thousands march in protest of controversial rally | CNN:
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A coalition of mostly left-leaning groups and activists such as the Black Lives Matter movement organized Boston's counterprotest.
33 arrested during day of protests; Officials praise largely peaceful result:
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At the same time, the "Fight Supremacy" march began to reach the area with 10,000 or more participants who were led into downtown from Roxbury, by organizers including Black Lives Matter and the Mass Community Action Network.
Antifa, KKK members plan to attend Boston rally:
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A small number of member of the Ku Klux Klan are planning to attend a controversial rally Saturday on Boston Common. ... He added the Klan members’ presence would likely go unnoticed. ... Meanwhile, the Boston Chapter of the leftist group known as Antifa called on its members to "confront fascism" at the Free Speech rally.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 165 of 195 (817779)
08-20-2017 9:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
08-20-2017 6:26 AM
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Re: Laguna Beach
According to her, hum? Got any actual evidence? Of course not.6 ABE: I did a pretty thorough search and couldn't find any trace of such. Nothing like spreading unsupported rumors, right? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 163 by Faith, posted 08-20-2017 6:26 AM | | Faith has replied |
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 167 of 195 (817818)
08-20-2017 4:08 PM
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Personal account of interaction with BLM in Boston. Don't read it, Faith, it doesn't fit your make-believe. https://www.twitter.com/qwrrty/status/898998545088299008
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 168 of 195 (817819)
08-20-2017 4:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
08-20-2017 3:09 PM
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Re: Laguna Beach
So, all you know isthere's more people in town and you assume their affiliation and intentions and post a hysterical screed attacking them. Jesus would be proud of you.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 171 of 195 (817826)
08-20-2017 5:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
08-20-2017 4:22 PM
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Re: Laguna Beach
That's not their motivation. How is your search to support your calumny against BLM going? Bet you haven't done anything. All that extrapolated from more unidentified people in town. No, that's not a reasonable supposition.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 172 of 195 (817827)
08-20-2017 5:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
08-20-2017 4:41 PM
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Re: Laguna Beach
I considered that, but it seems like pretty weak evidence. Does it affect your interpretation of there being more people in town?
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 175 of 195 (817836)
08-20-2017 7:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
08-20-2017 5:54 PM
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Re: Laguna Beach
Will you continue to claim that they foment violence and hate as a matter of course? If so, there's a rush. Unless you don't care the slightest about truth.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 186 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 176 of 195 (817837)
08-20-2017 8:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
08-20-2017 5:50 PM
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Re: Laguna Beach
And from that you got:
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Anti-"racist" protestors apparently, I guess to squelch another moment of free speech planned for tomorrow. Then I found a news story about it. So again we've got protestors against, not white supremacists, in this case just Americans who want to call attention to crimes committed by illegal aliens. Can't do that, it's "racist." Can't rule our own borders, that's "racist."
Every claim is false and not supported.
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And they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so.
No, Faith, they don't get paid by anybody. Show us the evidence or retract. Of course you'll do neither.
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