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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Isn't possible to denounce both according to you?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
quote: Do you have evidence this small group is affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement? Nobody else seems to have any from what I can tell. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Since the year 2000 here is the complete list of every single person killed by police in the UK:
Edson Da CostaKhalid Masood Yassar Yaqub Lewis Skelton Josh Pitt Dalian Atkinson William Smith James Wilson Jermaine Baker Richard Davies James Fox Dean Joseph Anthony Grainger Mark Duggan Kingsley Burrell Jimmy Mubenga Olaseni Lewis Keith Richards Ian Tomlinson Mervyn Tussler David Sycamore Andrew Hammond Sean Rigg Habib Ullah Mark Saunders Dayniel Tucker Ann Sanderson Terry Nicholas Robert Haines Steven Colwell Philip Marsden Craig King Jean Charles de Menezes John Mark Scott Azelle Rodney Simon Murden Nicholas Palmer Philip Prout Keith Larkins Derek Bennett Andrew Kernan Patrick O'Donell Kirk Davies The UK has 20% of the USA population, yet your police kill more than 5 times this number....per year than the UK incidents over nearly two decades - so when you ask:
I don't see what the cops themselves could have done differently in any of those situations. Do you? I have to suppose that there were plenty of things that could be done differently.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's meaningless, Mod, without knowing the circumstances in each case. Five of the seven examples I gave were justifiable or accidental or the result of fear on the cop's part, one of the remaining two was criminal negligence, the other was outright murder. Mere numbers don't tell us much.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
That's meaningless, Mod, without knowing the circumstances in each case. Five of the seven examples I gave were justifiable or accidental or the result of fear on the cop's part, one of the remaining two was criminal negligence, the other was outright murder. Mere numbers don't tell us much. They show that UK cops manage to keep law and order without as many 'accidental', 'justifiable' or 'fearful' killings - by many orders of magnitude - so clearly regardless of one's lack of knowledge in how things could be handled better, there certainly seems to lots of room for improvement. That's what the 'mere' numbers tell us. Scots Police Teach US Cops How To Avoid Gun Use | UK News | Sky News
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That's meaningless, Mod, without knowing the circumstances in each case. Five of the seven examples I gave were justifiable or accidental or the result of fear on the cop's part, one of the remaining two was criminal negligence, the other was outright murder. And none of them had anything to do with your claim that BLM is a violent organization. You got nuttin' but hate.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I wasn't specifically addressing the question of BLM violence, just their utter lack of justification for their whole project, even just demonstrating against the cops, in the examples they themselves point to as their justification.
As for violence, NCE has posted some evidence of their shouting about killing cops. That's on the same level as the white supremacists shouting about the evil Jews. As for actual violence and murders I'll have to dig that up. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's usually not fair to compare two such entirely different social situations as the UK and the US.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I wasn't specifically addressing the question of BLM violence, just their utter lack of justification for their whole project, even just demonstrating against the cops, in the examples they themselves point to as their justification. As American citizens they are entitled to have and voice (legally) their opinions.
As for violence, NCE has posted some evidence of their shouting about killing cops. That's on the same level as the white supremacists shouting about the evil Jews It's worth pointing out that there were no BLM chants of "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now."
Chants Encounter There was a protest at which they chanted "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon". The organizer had a pretty feeble explanation. I certainly condemn such actions. "Pigs in a blanket" chant at Minnesota fair riles police But you need to establish a pattern in BLM and their actions, not one or two isolated incidents. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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It's usually not fair to compare two such entirely different social situations as the UK and the US. The question is - what can be done to alter the social situation in the US to make it so less people die. If there was a September 11th magnitude attack every 9 years - I'm sure you'd be calling for changes to be made to protect American lives. That's how many are dying now - and evidence suggests that it isn't necessary. I'm not suggesting mere changes in police tactics will make the two countries identical in police related killings and deaths but that the present situation can be improved by changing how police approach their work. The senior police officers in the documentary agreed with me. And indeed:
quote: nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/07/deescalation-policing-works.html
quote: Dallas police excessive-force complaints drop dramatically
quote: quote: quote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html For many of the controversial cases where we see video footage come out - there is the unusual habit of drawing a weapon early, and yelling. As officers say - there often times when a person is killed and it is called justifiable, but where other methods have been used and no lives are lost. The latter is clearly preferred. So when you ask - what could the officers do differently? I think there is an answer, as do others. Evidence shows that it works. Whether it is not getting into situations where one feels compelled to use lethal force in the first place, or learning how defuse those situations as they develop before lethal force gets on the menu.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sounds good to me, hope the methods spread. Wonder why such reasonable tactics haven't already become universal.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Something called a "free speech rally" in Boston by Trump supporters was interrupted by the usual mob of crazed Leftists falsely calling it racist. BLM was there, Antifa was there, throwing stuff including urine, and free speech was squelched, not racist speech because as far as I've been able to find out it wasn't white supremacists, it was just some Trump supporters who are not racist. If that is the case then it is just the latest in Leftist fascist tyranny by today's version of the brownshirts who are the real racists these days. But as I say it's hard to find out what it was really all about. The MSM didn't even mention the involvement of BLM and Antifa, I found that at You Tube, but haven't listened to any of it yet. Who organized the rally for what purpose I haven't yet found out except that it is called a Trump rally.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I wouldn't have known about this except I have a relative who lives there and mentioned it in an email. According to her, protestors are being bussed in to Laguna Beach. Anti-"racist" protestors apparently, I guess to squelch another moment of free speech planned for tomorrow. Then I found a news story about it. So again we've got protestors against, not white supremacists, in this case just Americans who want to call attention to crimes committed by illegal aliens. Can't do that, it's "racist." Can't rule our own borders, that's "racist." And they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Bullshit. I live in the area and saw all the videos. The Trump supporters were escorted through the peaceful crowd and held their rally with counterprotesters held about 50 yards away by fencing. Nothing resembling a weapon was allowed in the area, including flagpoles,
There was a little roughhousing and at least one punch thrown. But nobody drove a car into a crowd. Free speech was not squelched. The few free-speech protesters held their rally uninterrupted and unbothered. Their rally was held in the granite structre at the middle right below, and the counterprotesters were kept far away:
as I've been able to find out it wasn't white supremacists Haven't looked very hard, have you? Speakers at ‘free speech’ rally dropping out - The Boston Globe
The MSM didn't even mention the involvement of BLM and Antifa Bullshit. Boston: Thousands march in protest of controversial rally | CNN:
quote: 33 arrested during day of protests; Officials praise largely peaceful result:
quote: Antifa, KKK members plan to attend Boston rally:
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
According to her, hum?
Got any actual evidence? Of course not.6 ABE: I did a pretty thorough search and couldn't find any trace of such. Nothing like spreading unsupported rumors, right? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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