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Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 86 (817218)
08-15-2017 8:23 PM


Revolting middle class. If the rich keep funding war with the lives of the lower classes, I wonder when the lower classes will revolt.
I would like to think, soonest is best, thanks to the left being too far left of the political spectrum, and the right being too far right.
The U. S. needs a third party to draw both overextended wings in and that should be a worker’s party.
If the worst affected by war, the middle and working classes, do not form a third party to represent the wealth creating demography of the country do nothing revolutionary, the dumbing down of the middle has worked quite well and the nation has no heart or love of self.
If the average working man or woman is not to be represented by either Democrats or Republicans, and are too dumbed down to see the requirement to be represented as important, and continue with their antiquated two party system, then you my dear Yankee friends, have devolved into quite a revolting and heartless middle and working classes.
You are even more revolting than the rich C S sons of bitches that don’t care for your welfare at all. The rich do not give any thought to your welfare, even as you enrich them more and more daily. It seems to me that you match their mind set by not giving a thought to your own long term welfare or about what kind of American Nightmare you are giving your children.
Bring the rich to heel or face a nuclear war. It’s your revolting choice.
Regards
DL

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Message 4 of 86 (817286)
08-16-2017 12:02 PM
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08-16-2017 7:18 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Phat writes:
Have there been any efforts to create such a party?
Just in the few who have run for office as independents.
Phat writes:
Is it even possible in this day and age to buck the two party system?
Sure. The independents do so and no law preventing a third party cannot be repealed.
Phat writes:
What would prevent either party from trying to hijack the workers party (if created) over to their side?
Prevent??
That is something that should be encouraged in both the right and left as that is how they are drawn further to a more desirable position that is not as far to left and right extremes.
To draw the third party vote, IOW, concessions would have to be made and that is how governments should be run.
Phat writes:
To start with, where do we get the money to back such a party? Next...where are the leaders...the spokesman?
Money, as with all political parties comes from their membership and supporters. As to spokesmen, they would likely begin with labor union executives who recognize that in war, workers and their families bear the brunt of the damage to society.
Phat writes:
What makes you think that the rich want a nuclear war?
I think they do as they are funding the weapons of war, including Atomic bombs and their delivery systems.
The rich have always seen war as a great way to enrich themselves.
Regards
DL

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Message 6 of 86 (817609)
08-18-2017 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Taq
08-18-2017 12:46 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Tag
If the rich wanted a stable economy, they would not destabilize it by allowing the graph that shows instability in our socio economic demographic pyramid to continue in the shape of a hockey stick that we now have.
That is an inherently destabilizing shape.
9 out of 10 Americans are completely wrong about this mind-blowing fact. - Upworthy
Obviously, if you know about demographic pyramids, you can see how unstable our present form is.
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 9 of 86 (817680)
08-19-2017 10:40 AM
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08-18-2017 3:51 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Tag
You forget who owns the construction companies that will profit greatly. The same oligarchs that profited from creating the war in the first place.
Regards
DL

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Message 11 of 86 (817683)
08-19-2017 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Phat
08-18-2017 4:06 PM


Re: Why Doesn’t The Middle Class Revolt?
Phat
You are correct in that fear is what is holding back the type od social change the U.S. needs.
Yanks should look North to see how things should be done.
Canada took the U.S. ideology to heart, as has many other countries, but we improved it instead of letting it ruin our moral heart.
Canadians are perceived to be good people by the world, and we generally are, but that is because we live and walk the U.S. talk while the U.S. does not. We are tough enough to walk the American Dream while Yanks have softened and polarized their position in just two tribes/political parties and fear to put a third stabilizing party in place to create a real democracy.
The leader of the free world is now a mental and political coward.
Who knew that would happen.
Regards
DL

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Message 12 of 86 (817686)
08-19-2017 10:55 AM
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08-19-2017 10:43 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Phat
You are correct in that we all have selfish genes.
We also have what are supposed to be moral political systems and if those systems allow for a few oligarch to own us all, then they are not moral political systems.
Oligarchs rule us. Not our political handlers.
If we lived in the days of the French Revolution, we would be lopping off heads.
It seems that man has lost his sense of rightness and morality. We now have a revolting middle class that is self centered and not country centered.
Regards
DL

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Message 14 of 86 (817749)
08-19-2017 2:20 PM
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08-19-2017 12:48 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
ringo
I agree with the direction of your thinking but not the presentation.
We begin life by following the dictates of our selfish gene. It promotes life via cooperation which is a better strategy for survival than competition.
Only later does our loved push us to compete so that the fittest might be found and emulated.
If we do not put our selfishness first, and remain as fit mentally and physically as possible, we could not help the rest of society survive and thrive and would have to rely on it's help us to survive and thus be a drain on it.
I do not think we have an argument here, just a different way of expressing the same thing.
I see our selfish gene as a friend while you see it as the enemy but we would both use it the same way.
Regards
DL

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Message 16 of 86 (817790)
08-20-2017 10:50 AM
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08-20-2017 10:44 AM


Re: Sacrificial We Are (as wannabe gods)
Phat
The mainstream religions are cancerous for sure, but some religions are OK.
Gnostic Christianity for one.
Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
As John Lennon said, the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.
Regards
DL

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Message 20 of 86 (817834)
08-20-2017 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
08-20-2017 2:05 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
ringo
"You contradict yourself. If some of us rely on society to help us survive then there is no such thing as one member of society being "more fit" than another."
Dear boy, I never contradict myself. If I had, you would have shown how.
Such an extraordinary thing, me contradicting myself, would need extraordinary evidence.
Tell me, if the person who has what it takes to help another who needs it, and he is no fitter than the one he is helping, then the one being helped is not worthy or requiring help as he is as fit as the helpful one. Right?
Equals do not need or have the need to help.
That means what you said is refuted.
Regards
DL

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Message 21 of 86 (817835)
08-20-2017 7:57 PM
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08-20-2017 4:24 PM


Re: Sacrificial We Are (as wannabe gods)
Phat
You say that Jesus did a lot of good for mankind.
Have you ignored that his genocidal son murdering father Yahweh/Jesus has spawned an intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religion that has helped to gift us with 2,000 years of war?
They still persecute gays even unto death and do not do right by women.
If you are not sure, ask the women and gays in your family.
Regards
DL

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Message 24 of 86 (817902)
08-21-2017 1:57 PM
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08-21-2017 12:55 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Ringo
Yes there is a divide between the helpful and fittest and those who need help to be more fit.
The divide is taxpayer and tax taker.
Regards
DL

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Message 26 of 86 (817988)
08-22-2017 11:46 AM
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08-22-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Ringo
Would you prefer to be a tax payer or a tax taker?
The reasons you would rather be a tax payer than on the dole are the reasons that you are more fit, if you are a tax payer, than those who are slaved to tax payers for their sustenance.
Regards
DL

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Message 28 of 86 (818852)
09-03-2017 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
08-22-2017 12:33 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
True, but tax payers end with cash in the bank instead of bothing in the bank.
If you do not see the benefits of tax paying versus tax taking then you are rather blind.
Regards
DL

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Message 30 of 86 (818964)
09-04-2017 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ringo
09-04-2017 1:04 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
No.
Tax takers, not tax collectors, are at the mercy of the generosity of the state. I do not see that as an advantage.
Regards
DL

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Message 32 of 86 (819071)
09-05-2017 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ringo
09-05-2017 11:39 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Yes. English is my second language. I am French.
That does not explain you not knowing what a tax collector is.
A tax collector is the state. A tax taker is on the dole or some other form of state hand out.
Tax payers fund it all. Not the rich ones of course. They get all the breaks and the shortfall is taken up by the middle and working class.
Regards
DL

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