Another one that hurts

I didn't get the quote from Spencer so I don't know how he referenced the source of that quote.Why do you make so much of a misattributed quote? Everybody here does that. Why not just say oops misquote but deal with the content anyway.It's annoying that it wasn't Adams but I'm trying to make a point about Islam, that you can't deal with it by normal assumptions about human nature and circumstances, all that psychbabble people have been putting up, or even the idea that they are angry about being bombed. That's NOT what moves them. Islam moves them and Islam is an ideology that tells them God wants violent attacks on "infidels" and will reward them with all the sex they could ever want. And that's what Churchill and Blunt, though apparently not Adams, say about it. Also Montesquieu in 1748: And my source for all the quotes, including the Adams misquote is
HEREI already said it's ideology -driven anyway. You don't need to know a lot about Islam to figure that out, so all this western PC psychobabble really has no excuse in this context. Believing that God himself wants you to behave in this way and will reward you is ALL that is motivating them. They think they are serving God.Part of their ideology also prescribes lying to nonMuslims to further the cause of Islam. This is what they do in the endless Palestinian State flap. They do not want a Palestinian State or they could have had it a dozen times by now and with all sorts of help from Israel and the west too. No, get it straight: They want Israel DEAD. Period. And everything they do works to that end. Israel is the infidel in their midst and that's all there is to it. Stop trying to get them to think like westerners, they don't and they never will as llong as Islam is their master. They'll go along with your silly "peace plans" to mollify the world for a while and then they'll turn it all down. They absolutely cannot and will not adapt to this world as it is. It's all or nothing for the Islamic State.YOu can't deal with this by material aid, by well-intentioned "understanding" of their difficult circumstances or by war either, unless the war is severe enough to dissuade them from continuing their jihad. YOu cannot persuade them to an alien worldview either. Dealing with an ideology that is thought to have been given by God and is violently enforced by your culture is something else entirely. Those cultures prohibit evangelizing too of course and will behead those that try, but persuading them to Christ in great numbers would be my solution. Not any more practically possible than any of the others proposed here, unless missionaries are willing to go in by the hundreds or thousands trusting in the true God but prepared to die for the cause.From the same source linked above:HERE'S a talk by an ex-jihadist who also makes it clear that you can't cure the problem of Islam with the usual silly ideas westerners throw at it, that it is an IDEOLOGY.HOWEVER, I did not tell anyone not to give aid to the refugees, I just said you have to take all this into account and THEN decide how to handle it. It requires creative solutions, not the usual PC assumptions.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You can ask that about westerners who are finding Islam attractive for whatever reason and I don't really know the answer to that. But people born and raised Muslim are saturated with it from infancy, taught to hate everything nonMuslim and told it is God who says all this. They don't "adopt" Islam, it surrounds and owns them and enforces its claims with the endless threat of violence. You do not have the option of not believing in Islam in a strongly Muslim country, that is a crime worthy of death. They are Muslims and they don't stop being Muslims. There are probably agents in the west who have a role in persuading them to the cause at some point and encourage them to go get trained. I don't know the routes taken, but they are Muslims and don't stop being Muslims. Again, that's a question for the westerners who are converting and it would be good to have a clear answer to that question. But for people raised under Islam it is enforced by violence as it always was, starting with Mohammed who slaughtered people for refusing it. Now it is maintained by the violence of the Islamic State and the radicals in every generation, but the less violent Muslims are going to stay Muslim wherever they are anyway. If nothing else it's the air they breathe, so much a part of their culture they have no options. Unless they convert to Christ knowing He's the true God and can protect them. That does happen. But converting to secularism? I'd be interested to know if that ever happens, if it does it's extremely rare.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Here's another quote from that same website linked above, under the title How Socialism and Islam work together to destroy France. This was just the opinion of one Frenchman the guy interviewed in 2006 but it echoes stuff I've been hearing all along. After giving an analysis of how France is being subjugated to Islam, he describes how apparently assimilated Muslims turn out not to be, that's the way Islam works: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Jews may not have been particularly targeted in the Barcelona event but they are targeted by Islam's doctrines and have definitely also been targeted in some attacks, such as against synagogues but also attacks on individuals, particularly in France. Any attacks in the name of Islam, however, are rightly understood by the Jews to hold a potential threat to themselves.

The Jews are specifically targeted in the Koran, and have been the victims of Muslim attacks in France.Yes Hindus and Muslims attack each other in Pakistan and India. In India lately there have been a lot of attacks by Hindus on Christians, according to an Indian pastor I hear from. He is wondering if he can find a seminary in the US to enroll in for a year or two as a way to escape their attacks and protect his family by bringing them here.However, again, Islam does specifically target Jews in the Koran. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Your signature refers to the big headline stories, not the everyday neighborhood attacks on Jews.As for "religion" being some kind of special problem, I'd point out that the Jews and Christians are the victims in these current cases, so not ALL religion is the problem. And besides do I need to point out all the nonreligious murdering ideologies?