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NoNukes
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Message 16 of 195 (816930)
08-13-2017 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by vimesey
08-13-2017 3:57 PM


The racist organisation itself has to be susceptible to legal process, just as racist individuals do.
In the US, it is not illegal to be a racist. In fact, polls of US citizens have consistently shown, that only a minority of folks consider someone who is racist to be a bad person. Accordingly, folks who preach supremacy, separatism, and hatred are not committing any crime. Such groups can proselytize and promote their agenda and expect that their activities are completely covered under the first amendment. In the case of the Virginia demonstrations, attempts to change the venues for the demonstrations by city members were found to be unconstitutional by the courts.
Now, of course, some members of those organization may have joined because they espouse violence. Heck, even the creators of the groups may feel that way, but that alone is not enough to make the group a criminal organization. And the first amendment protects speech that is not an invitation to immediate violence.
The idea, for example, that left leaning folks have been violent in the past, and therefore nobody can have permission to protest skin heads is a bizarre idea that most folks would be embarrassed to express. But the idea that hate groups cannot protest is just a less extreme version of the same idea.
Hate groups cannot advocate speech that incites violence. Tracing such violence to organizations generally requires an arduous, lengthy investigation similar to the one that eventually got some KKK organizations prosecuted and their assets seized.
But what I found completely offensive to the point where I am violating my promise to ignore Faith's posts is claiming to be with a group of protestors that includes a man who deliberately drove a car over other folks while at the same time expressing that lefties should have no right to protest. What kind of evil @#$%$ is that?
Okay. Got that out. I'm giving myself a one-week suspension from this place. Jar is right to some extent. If these folks don't have freedom of speech, then likely I don't either. I'm not going to advocate for the position these guys took, or for their right to run a car over counter protesters. But I could represent one of these dickheads in court if it came to that.
See you in 168 hours.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 195 of 195 (818162)
08-24-2017 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by caffeine
08-24-2017 12:48 PM


Re: Laguna Beach
but I think the accusation is usually just a baseless accusation to discredit whichever protest the accuser happens to disagree with
Perhaps it is just my weariness with this topic, but I think your post is the height of understatement. Way too kind hearted. Some folks will go to any length... fabricate and believe any conspiracy story however facially bogus and devoid of evidence just to hold onto bull shit beliefs. (Cue RAZD here...)
While we may all be guilty of doing that to some extent; as was pointed out on another thread, most people are not persuaded by facts; few people even could do it on the scale evidenced here. In danger of seeing the racist nature of Charlottesville posters? Easily cured with an inoculation BS made up conspiracy crap from where ever.
"I hadn't yet read any of my favorite conservative sources." No translation needed for that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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