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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
What I did by posting this was to show that there is evidence that part of the story on THE GLOBAL FLOOD, is true. If a flood had started, animals have been observed to seek shelter with humans. This is evidence that part of the story could be true. So essentially we have evidence. You might also have claimed that the existence of water in Houston was evidence for a global flood during historic times, as your bird evidence is just about as weak.
The rest of you went on and on how we have no evidence and went off you your usual bigoted attacks on people of faith. Just admit it, this is evidence in support of the story. Doesn't mean it happened. So unless you can show how animals evolved into this behavior, (asked once already) you can no longer say there is zero evidence OK, there was water in Houston, and one bird looked for high ground. Big deal. Neither is evidence for a global flood no matter how you spin it. Might as well claim the existence of green cheese on Earth is evidence that the moon is made of green cheese--that's about the same level of evidence. Oh, and don't forget all the evidence that shows a global flood during historic times never happened.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You have evidence that one animal sought shelter and no evidence that it chose that shelter because of humans. That's all. Your wild extrapolation to all animals is unjustified.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I hope that you can see that you are a whining liar who is upset because he gets the criticisms he earned. Everyone is allowed to speak as loosely as jar did, at least in ordinary speech. You will rarely find anyone criticised for doing so, no matter what hey believe.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Untrue, I also did. Message 42 quote: As I pointed out it is NOT part of the story. It does not even seem to be true in general - the vast majority of urban wildlife did not seek shelter. And even if it was part of the story it would be as true if there were only a severe local flood. Not to mention that fictions can and do include known facts, so even if it was a fact (it isn't) and even if it was in the story (it isn't) it still wouldn't be the evidence you claim. So, essentially you have no evidence here of a global Flood.
quote: Since I have given four good reasons why it is not evidence of a global flood this hardly applies. We do not even have to assume that this is an evolved instinct since the evidence is against it. Why the relatively few animals who did seek shelter with humans did so is a question that needs to be addressed individually because the numbers are small. Some may have been partly tame - escaped from domestic life, or habituated to humans (usually from being fed). Some may simply seek shelter and find tolerating humans better than the alternative. It's not hard to explain at all.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... If a flood had started, animals have been observed to seek shelter with humans. This is evidence that part of the story could be true. So essentially we have evidence. Except we don't have mating pairs of animals ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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All you have is denial. What I have is God's word. You have the denial. No, what you have is a delusional belief that you have god/s word/s, and a conviction (delusion) that you are always right no matter what the evidence shows. What I have is freely available objective empirical evidence of lots of time into the past with no evidence of a global flood, evidence that could not exist if there had been a flood and evidence that could not exist if the earth were young ... unless your god/s is a joker, a prankster, a maker of fraudulent evidence, a god more interested in fooling people than helping them. That is what the evidence shows faith. Therewas no global flood for millions of years into the past If the evidence lies, then it is your god/s that made the lies. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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rr writes: Only people that believe there was no flood are allowed to speak losely. I don't know anyone who believes there was no flood. There are lots of people who conclude that there has never been a world-wide flood during the times humans lived. That latter is not a matter of belief but rather an inescapable conclusion based on the overwhelming evidence found in reality as well as the evidence that there are two mutually exclusive flood myths found in the Bible stories.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1135 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
Harvey the Hawk was injured and, as of the linked video, recovering at a rehab center.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7qp_Zi_NA
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 884 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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Except we don't have mating pairs of animals ... That's what I was thinking too. Now if there would have been several pairs of animals seeking out safety with humans a day or two in advance of the flood... that might raise some eyebrows. But one owl landing in/on a guys car during a flood is one of the wackiest things I have ever seen given as evidence for Noah's flood. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Yup. Had a mating pair of 'roos shown up in Houston with a pair of koalas in their pouches with a whole line of Lions and Tigers and Bears and Ohmys there might have been a news story worth of Faux News.
The Biblical Flood is simply a silly sophomoric joke at the very best attempted by an inept, evil, dishonest and untrustworthy God who was trying to get a gig in stand up comedy.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Strata and fossils
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
riVeRraT writes: Me thinks you are confusing "a flood" with "the flood" and now "global flood". But nice try on dodging the topic. The only one dodging any issues is you. First there's this icon of clarity:
riVerRaT in Message 62 writes: No one ever thought it was flat before that, said no one ever. What does this mean? Who knows, you won't explain it. First you make conflicting statements and amidst a cloud of nonsense, then you try to blame the confusion on everyone else while still refusing to explain anything. Let's face it - you've made a hash of things and are desperately seeking a way out. Now let's trace your confusion about the global flood:
Jar: There has never been a world wide flood during the period when humans existed riVeRraT: That statement is incorrect. Percy: Aren't you asserting that there *has* been a world-wide flood since humans have existed? riVeRraT: I suggested it. Percy: Suggests there was a world wide flood. riVeRraT: I did not suggest there was a flood. There it is in black and white, first you suggesting there was a world wide flood, then denying ever suggesting it. And let's not forget this:
I am not a creationist. "Quack!" --Percy
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 884 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Strata and fossils Yea, yea, we know. Strata and fossils = global flood. But the question here is... Do you think this story of a hawk seeking help from a human is actually evidence of Noah's flood? HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Strata and fossils Let me fix that for you. Strata and fossils are absolute and conclusive proof that there was never a Biblical Flood since no one has ever been able to present a model, mechanism, method, process, procedure for any flood to create the order found in reality. Period! The Biblical Flood is as absurd as the Garden or Eden, the Fall, The Exodus and the Conquest of Canaan or Young Earth.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Coyote writes: You might also have claimed that the existence of water in Houston was evidence for a global flood during historic times, as your bird evidence is just about as weak. Weak is more than zero. The water accumulation IS evidence of a global flood, but I am not going to go into that right now. It goes back to one of my posts years ago. Just 52" of rain in 5 days made the water 20' deep. Imagine what 40 days and nights would have done, globally.
OK, there was water in Houston, and one bird looked for high ground. Big deal. Neither is evidence for a global flood no matter how you spin it. Because you say so.
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