"Natural" (plant-based) Health Solutions

I can't find that in the message, please summarize it. From Message 29: I don't recall what the two other cancers were but there's someone I could ask who would probably know. Maybe later. The three others who did the juice treatment are known too: Wark's colon cancer, Kordich's bladder cancer and local man's prostate cancer. Please do summarize that data you mention. Of course the numbers are too small to compare, but they represent 100% of the cases I personally was aware of, and all tended in the same direction. And the difference is so dramatic between the ones on standard therapy and the ones on juice therapy it's highly suggestive of the efficacy of juices. Ofr course it can't compete with careful statistics but it's too compelling to ignore IMO.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Please see Message 76.

The rate you are giving is with current treatments, right? The man I'm talking about was diagnosed some time in the 80s, what was the survival rate at that time? And he lived 25 years past his diagnosis. That's even less than the 60% Wark rejected in 2003. And again your source is probably giving a rate based on current treatments. Sounds liess promising than in 2003. Jay Kordich was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 1949. He wasn't looking for alternative treatments, he just thought Gerson sounded like he had a good track record so he went with his juicing plan and lived another 67 years. Any idea what the standard treatments were in 1949? Now! Probably not then. And one of them survived 25 years and the other 67. Makes 15 look pretty paltry. Yes I don't know the stage of any of them at diagnosis, but I don't think any of them were found early.

It obviously worked for Kordich. And Albert Schweitzer too I believe.Please point me to that test, I missed it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm not interested in trying to prove some universal cure. This is all trial and error at this point, but the cases I do know of I find convincing. The more people who want to try it the more we'll find out about what works and what doesn't. I wouldn't take chemotherapy myself just because I know what it does to people, and at my age I don't expect to live a lot longer anyway. I'd risk dying of the disease instead. But I'd give nutrition a good shot at the same time.

Lot of empty assertions. No more reason to believe that than what Gerson says. But what I believe is Jay Kordich anyway, the value of the juices he drank for curing his bladder cancer. All the rest of Gerson's treatment seems off the wall to me too, all I keep emphasizing is the juicing. And Kordich became the next juicing guru as a result of his experience with Gerson. He also did the coffee enemas himself but never recommended them to anyone else that I know of. It's the juicing blitz that needs to be tested. So far nothing on that.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm sure it wasn't "properly confirmed." All we have is Kordich's telling us he had these symptoms, blood spots in his underwear, went to a doctor who told him he had a tumor in his bladder, and that led him to seek out the best medical care he could find and he chose Gerson. Gerson didn't report on this, just Kordich. It's on the video I posted earlier in Message 29. He took the treatment and said the blood disappeared. He became a juice guru.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'll take his word for it that a doctor diagnosed him correctly.

There are lots of nutrition-based Alternative treatments out there, some are awfully specialized and complicated such as the Hallelujah Diet. That one is touted as biblically based but when I think of the foods mentioned in the Bible I don't see it. Milk and honey -- but many diets today eliminate dairy completely. And all sugars including honey. Fatted calf. Red meat is eliminated today. Butter. Oil. Lentil stew would be out on a raw diet, and so on.Some make a big deal out of the fact that the prophet Daniel refused the fancy foods of the Babylonian king, claiming he and his friends would be just as healthy on "pulse," or vegetables. This is mistakenly understood as being about health per se, but it's not. As good Israelites they would not eat certain foods that the heathen nations ate, probably some foods considered unclean by Israelite law; or foods sacrificed to the Babylonian gods. They trusted God to support their health on nothing but vegetables. This is not a "biblical" diet at all unless you are an Israelite captive in a heathen nation.The Bible does support special concoctions for healing diseases though, and I'd put carrot juice in that category myself.

He died recently at the age of 93 so there's no way to find out anything from him. He was diagnosed back in '49. Perhaps an intrepid sleuth could track down the doctor and find out how trustworthy the diagnosis was, but otherwise I trust Kordich's acceptance of the diagnosis as right. There are others besides Kordich anyway. In this area people do their own research and decide on juicing on their own.I'm discussing, not advising. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's really amazing how anything anybody says can, and will, be obliterated by the endless destroying machine of EvC. Truth isn't the concern really, just demolishing the opposition, that's all, and it's amazing how easy it is once you set yourself to question every little thing. You can raise doubts about anything at all in the end.I have no reason to doubt anything in Kordich's story, and neither do you really, you just have to doubt it because it suits your bias to doubt it.I gather that Kordich was on his way to a medical degree when he got his symptoms and saw the doctor, went on the juice diet and became a juice guru. Why would you assume he made more as a juice teacher than he would have as a doctor?

No he mentions the medical classes he was taking.

The technique here really boils down to character assassination every time. Doesn't matter what the topic is, that's always the tactic on the EvC side. Either the writer of the posts or the people being quoted are all just subjected to character assassination. That's the whole of your "scientific" arguments in the end. Too bad people are influenced by such tactics.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I didn't need to mention any of those cases I happened to know about, and I didn't present them as some kind of scientific study. They are an impression I had of five people who died of cancer within a few years on standard therapy versus three I know of who survived decades on basically carrot juice treatment plus in Wark's case some other things. I find just that much highly suggestive though.And by the way I can't accept a study of "AM" since "AM" covers too many different kinds of treatment. Speaking of requiring more specificity. There is every kind of crazy thing out there besides the juices that seem to me to do well. You want to know where the tumor was in the woman's leg, I believe the muscle, but your study doesn't discriminate among hundreds of different kinds of "AM."abe: Actually I can now add one person who had breast cancer about fifteen years ago on nothing but standard treatment {mastectomy plus chemo) and is alive and well today. So I have one different kind of personal example now.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

When I said there are lots of different versions of AM I meant totally different systems of treatment. Most I've spent time on seem to be based on nutrition, in fact a lot of them on the carrot juice that Gerson initiated, but still I don't know how many different treatments those people tried, how similar or different the treatments were etc. Even Wark and his guests talk about a dizzying array of treatments most of them tried, but maybe some in the study focused only on one or two that are different. There's no way to know, just as there's no way to know more about the people I mentioned.Also I realized I should ask you to do a little more translating of that abstract because I don't have the patience to figure out what all the numbers mean. Please? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.