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PaulK
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Message 89 of 606 (819010)
09-05-2017 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
09-05-2017 3:10 AM


Re: where's the moral h
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Lot of empty assertions. No more reason to believe that than what Gerson says
I included the references. And are you really going to assume that the doctors who examined the reports are going to be less reliable than someone promoting a miracle cure ?
quote:
But what I believe is Jay Kordich anyway, the value of the juices he drank for curing his bladder cancer
If he ever had it - was his diagnosis properly confirmed ? That seems to be a problem with Gerson's cases. But by all means believe someone selling nonsensical woo over medical science.
quote:
It's the juicing blitz that needs to be tested. So far nothing on that.
Because the evidence I found is "nothing" ?

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Message 91 of 606 (819015)
09-05-2017 8:58 AM
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09-05-2017 8:46 AM


Re: Kordich
In other words it is entirely possible that Kordich may have never had cancer at all.
That's really not very good evidence.

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Message 94 of 606 (819023)
09-05-2017 10:31 AM
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09-05-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Kordich
In other words you've decided to believe him, even when he has no way to know if what he's saying is really true.
That's hardly a rational approach - nor a good basis for advising others to rely on juicing instead of chemotherapy. So I hope you won't do that.

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Message 96 of 606 (819025)
09-05-2017 10:49 AM
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09-05-2017 10:34 AM


Re: Kordich
If there weren't proper tests - and you've indicated that there weren't - Kordich simply couldn't know. Misdiagnoses do happen. So long as a misdiagnosis is a reasonable possibility (and it certainly is), then citing Kordich as evidence is simply not reasonable.
The most you could sensibly trust Kordich to do is to repeat what the doctor told him correctly - but even that is likely going too far into credulity, given the time since the diagnosis and the human tendency to confabulate - especially so given how much Kordich made from claiming to have been cured.

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Message 99 of 606 (819031)
09-05-2017 11:37 AM
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09-05-2017 11:11 AM


Re: Kordich
quote:
It's really amazing how anything anybody says can, and will, be obliterated by the endless destroying machine of EvC. Truth isn't the concern really, just demolishing the opposition, that's all, and it's amazing how easy it is once you set yourself to question every little thing. You can raise doubts about anything at all in the end.
You're really describing yourself - except that your attempts to destroy the truth fail all the time.
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I have no reason to doubt anything in Kordich's story, and neither do you really, you just have to doubt it because it suits your bias to doubt it.
Sure I do. Kordich cannot be expected to be unquestionably right about things he can't know and can't be expected to be immune to ordinary human failings. There is no good reason to think otherwise. And yet here you are complaining bitterly against it.
Add to that the basic implausibility of a miracle cure and a misdiagnosis must be seen as a more likely possibility.
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I gather that Kordich was on his way to a medical degree when he got his symptoms and saw the doctor, went on the juice diet and became a juice guru. Why would you assume he made more as a juice teacher than he would have as a doctor?
I certainly think he would have been less famous - which matters to some people. And he certainly seems to have done well. And then there's all the emotional payoff from "beating cancer". Also, he doesn't mention studying to be a doctor - the only thing he mentions about University is football.

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Message 104 of 606 (819040)
09-05-2017 12:07 PM
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09-05-2017 11:44 AM


Re: Kordich
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No he mentions the medical classes he was taking
Where ?
This page at jaykordich.com says:
He also grew and developed the muscles that would serve him well as a football player at the University of Southern California.
And
From a star athlete to surviving a life-threatening illness, all by the age of 26

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Message 105 of 606 (819043)
09-05-2017 12:35 PM
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09-05-2017 11:48 AM


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The technique here really boils down to character assassination every time.
So suggesting that Jay Kordich was human, with the normal human weaknesses is considered "character assassination". I couldn't pick a clearer example of you setting up a man as an idol if I tried.
The rest is your usual tactic of trying to blame other people for the deficiencies of your argument. The fact is that you have no good evidence for the Gerson protocol, and the only one at fault here is you for indulging in your usual nastiness instead of accepting that fact.

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Message 113 of 606 (819059)
09-05-2017 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
09-05-2017 3:50 PM


Re: Kordich
So when you accuse others that's fine. When others suggest that your accusation more accurately applies to you that's character assassination.
Interesting.

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Message 117 of 606 (819090)
09-06-2017 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Faith
09-05-2017 5:23 PM


Re: Kordich
No, I mean when you accused Taq of engaging in "character assassination" when he quoted your accusation and said that you were guilty of it. Taq Message 109 your reply Message 112. You will note that your post is the one I replied to.
You know, if you can't remember the thread of a conversation it is very easy to follow it back through the links the forum software provides. It's the one really good thing about this forum software that the more common packages fail to provide. And you would only have to look back along two links, too.

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Message 123 of 606 (819108)
09-06-2017 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Dogmafood
09-06-2017 9:49 AM


Re: Spot the anecdote
Firstly, if it's really working for him, great. Second, if he's trying to sell other people on it I'd really want more than his say-so. Third, he ought to make sure it really is working for him the way he thinks it is.
That said, not taking drugs you don't need is always a good thing.

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Message 179 of 606 (821305)
10-05-2017 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Faith
10-05-2017 10:27 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
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...this isn't snake oil stuff
I rather doubt that:
Dr. Rashid Buttar presents 7 Advanced Strategies for Healing Cancer Naturally, without drugs, chemo, and radiation.
Joseph Mercola, too, which is a big red flag.

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Message 333 of 606 (828528)
02-20-2018 3:24 PM


Advice on Supplements
What Experts Recommend
The supplement industry is big pharma with little regulation. Most of what it sells is unnecessary. Some of it is even potentially dangerous. Know what you need, and don’t waste money (at best) on the things you don’t.

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Message 335 of 606 (828810)
02-24-2018 2:43 PM
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02-24-2018 2:34 PM


Re: Advice on Supplements
If it is a placebo, it isn’t really doing anything.

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Message 337 of 606 (828813)
02-24-2018 3:04 PM
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02-24-2018 2:55 PM


Re: Advice on Supplements
Given that the suppliers say this:
Willard Water is not intended to treat, diagnose, cure, or prevent any diseases.
You can be sure that they don’t have good evidence of any medical benefit.

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Message 379 of 606 (830001)
03-20-2018 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 378 by Faith
03-20-2018 5:02 AM


Re: Even diabetic neuropathy (for Phat)
John MacDougall is the creator of a fad diet. Lim tells about switching from one fad diet to another. Those are not encouraging signs.

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