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Author Topic:   "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"
Pressie
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Message 16 of 22 (818896)
09-04-2017 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
07-25-2014 11:33 AM


riVeRraT writes:

I was thinking (oh crap duck!) about the term "ignorance of the law is no excuse" and wondered if there is actually anyone who does know every single law.

Actually, it is a person's responsibility to find out what the laws are when a person enters a country or area or State. I mean, in my country it is legal to have sexual relationships with any consenting person 16 years old or older. When I go to Saudi, it is illegal to have a sexual relationship with anyone who is not my legal wife.

So, yes, "ignorance of the law" is not an excuse. It's a lame excuse for people who are too stupid to even try basic research.


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riVeRraT
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Message 17 of 22 (818985)
09-04-2017 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Rrhain
09-04-2017 2:30 AM


Re: Ignorance In Office Or Change?
Rrhain writes:

Could you explain your undefined term in something other than an undefined term? Who is this "establishment"? Who are these "globalists"? Exactly who is the "New World Order" of which you speak? If they have "admitted it," then surely you could provide a quote.

My undefined term in no more undefined term that you used. You said Democrats have denounced antifa. Who are "the Democrat", Nancy Pelosi? lmao.

Google is your friend, maybe search for globalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism
http://www.globalistagenda.org/
https://www.forbes.com/...nalists-and-patriots/#13dc390712ad
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...came-the-boogeyman-of-2016
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/...trolled-the-government

It goes on and on. Obama has admitted he is a globalist, Hillary too. People like Soros, Rockefellers, Arab nation, Koch brothers, ROTHCHILDs, etc.

Follow the money trails. Those people own the media, and the world banks. Rothchild is trying to collapse the American dollar, and Soros is too. They want us to be at war with each other.

They hate Russia, Brexit, North Korea, Cuba, and now Italy. Countries that do not want globalism. That is why there is regular attacks on those countries. Obama tried to smooth it out with Cuba, but that's not going so well now. Too bad, I wanted some Cuban cigars.


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riVeRraT
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Message 18 of 22 (818986)
09-04-2017 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rrhain
09-04-2017 2:24 AM


Re: Ignorance In Office Or Change?
Rrhain writes:

Yep...just like I pegged you for: Ignorance is OK for you but not for others. So long as you can claim you didn't know, then you can claim you're innocent.

When did I say I didn't know. I know, you don't. Please explain, who are these "democrats" who have rejected antifa?

That's a talking point you've got there, that somehow Antifa is part of the left and that somehow the left is responsible for them and need to denounce them in order to maintain legitimacy.

umm, The left created them. Denouncing them is a good thing. Just like denouncing white supremacy, what the hell is your problem with that? And how is that a talking point? Its just reality for the rest of us.

The right has actively courted white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

BAHAHAHAHAHA, HAHA, Ha..ha. Robert Byrd.

White supremacy was also created by democrats.

Please refer to globalist.

Please stop lumping all people you think are on the right, on the right, you sound bigoted.

You need to stop watching Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront. They are lying to you. Antifa is not the left. They are anarchists. That's from their own mouths. Thus, while it is pleasant for the left to denounce them (which they have), they are not the responsibility of the left any more than they are the responsibility of the right.

Um bullshit?

Again, who is "the left"?

It is everyone's problem. and if antifa has a legitimate beef about "the right" Then it needs to be corrected. Kind of hard to do when the MSM is constantly lying to us.

Quick question: When the right and the left gather for protest rallies, which is the side that brings the guns, shields, military gear, etc.?

Antifa now. They are starting to arm themselves. Millions of gun owners have been patiently watching and standing by. You know all those "violent gun owners on the right" are going to save your sorry ass when the time comes. As you have witnessed there are some pretty cool heads on the real right. they are very on top of the situation, and do way more than you could imagine. Maybe do some studying on militia groups and what they actually do, not what you hear on CNN (the biggest bullshit network out there ATM)

And you prove my point. You need to stop watching Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront. They are lying to you. There is no funding of antifa from the left.

There is direct funding. To BLM and other hate groups as well. It's not just from the left, it is from the globalists. They are even funding white supremacist groups. After all it takes 2 to have a war. and that's what the people who are in control want.

Stop thinking in terms of left and right. open your mind a bit.

Does the word "credibility" mean anything to you? After all, you just claimed that somehow antifa is funded by the left. Trump didn't have any credibility when he read the prepared statement made for him regarding the events in Charlottesville since it was made only in the aftermath of his statement supporting them the day before and then again his statement supporting them the day after. Given your history, what makes you think your statement has any credibility?

Trumps statement was 100% legit. You see Trump doesn't think in terms of left and right. Narrow minded people stuck on a side do. And what the fuck does "given your history mean"? I stand behind every single thing I wrote in this forum, all 5000+ posts. When I was wrong or learned something, I admitted it. Maybe it's your history we should be concerned about, Mr.4th demension.

My statement is legit also. It's a known fact for years now. Maybe back in the 80's when the Euro was started (the start of globalism and the NWO) it was conspiracy.


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riVeRraT
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Message 19 of 22 (818987)
09-04-2017 10:37 PM


Connect the dots.
Anyone who doesn't think Soros isn't funding antifa has their head up their ass. FYI, Soros funded Hillary as well.

https://www.usatoday.com/...trump-activists-meeting/99417808


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Rrhain
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Message 20 of 22 (819084)
09-05-2017 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by riVeRraT
09-04-2017 10:37 PM


Re: Connect the dots.
Anyone who thinks Soros funds antifa has confused what "head" and "ass" are.

Yeah, Soros donated to Clinton.

So did a lot of other people.

So I guess that means everybody who voted for Clinton is a member of antifa, right?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 21 of 22 (819085)
09-05-2017 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by riVeRraT
09-04-2017 10:14 PM


Re: Ignorance In Office Or Change?
riVeRraT responds to me:

quote:
My undefined term in no more undefined term that you used.

Just because you stamp your little foot doesn't make it so.

quote:
You said Democrats have denounced antifa.

Indeed. Democrats have denounced antifa. That you don't know who they are simply exacerbates your hypocrisy. You get to claim ignorance and insist that you're innocent when all you're doing is parroting talking points you don't understand.

You need to stop watching Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront.

They are lying to you.

Have there been a lot? No, not really. But then again, why would they? Antifa isn't a Democratic faction. They aren't even left. Are you insisting that every time somebody does something that you don't agree with, you are public in your denouncement?

So where was your denouncement of the Lincoln Club? Wait, you say you've never heard of them? You say you're not a San Diegan? You say you're not affiliated with them?

Ah, see, you're getting the point: Since antifa is not part of the left let alone part of the Democrats, why would they want to give them any legitimacy? Unlike the Republicans who have actively courted the white supremacist and neo-Nazi movements (to the point that Trump put an actual, honest-to-goodness member of a true, not-Neo but original Nazi group in his administration), Democrats have no connections to antifa and they are not the Democrats' responsibility.

And, of course, all of this is nothing but a distraction from the fact that Republicans have actively courted the white supremacist and neo-Nazi movements. So long as you do everything you can to keep the conversation focused on anything else, you can continue to provide cover to the racists, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis that are a significant part of the modern conservative movement in general and the Republican party in particular.

quote:
Google is your friend

But not yours. After all, you claim you don't know any Democrats who have denounced antifa.

But that doesn't solve the problem: You don't mean what Wikipedia means when you use the term "globalist."

You see, "globalist" is an alt-right dog whistle for "Jew." There's a reason you bring up Soros and it isn't because he's wealthy and funds Democrats. It's because he's Jewish.

And let's not pretend you didn't know that. As you pointed out, "Google is your friend."

https://www.nytimes.com/...litics/globalism-right-trump.html
https://thedailybanter.com/...orters-use-globalist-as-a-slur

Oh, and let's not forget that you didn't bother to read the sources you quoted. That Washington Post article? It doesn't support your seeming definition of "globalism."

You know...the one you still didn't supply. When you say, "globalism," you don't mean what Wikipedia means.

quote:
It goes on and on.

Yep. And your cutesy smile as you try to pretend that you mean economics when you say it doesn't wash.

quote:
Obama has admitted he is a globalist, Hillary too.

Not the way you mean. Not even if we ignore your bigotry and confine ourselves to an economic concept. See, you need to stop reading Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront and pay attention to what Obama actually said.

Perhaps you could use that friend of yours and provide the exact quote in complete context that is offending you so.

quote:
Follow the money trails.

Yep. And you'll find that they don't lead to where you say they do. You need to stop watching Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront.

They are lying to you.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 22 of 22 (819091)
09-06-2017 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by riVeRraT
09-04-2017 10:29 PM


Re: Ignorance In Office Or Change?
riVeRraT responds to me:

quote:
When did I say I didn't know. I know, you don't.

Oh, lord...do I need to start keeping a record of all your posts again so that I can bring it up every time you try to say you didn't say something?

From Message 13 of this thread:

You do understand that they are not part of the left, yes? They are anarchists. They have been denounced by the left.

Nope sorry, didn't get that memo.

So when you say that you never said you didn't know, you're not exactly being truthful, now are you?

We're right back to my original claim:

Yep...just like I pegged you for: Ignorance is OK for you but not for others. So long as you can claim you didn't know, then you can claim you're innocent.

And you'll keep insisting that you didn't say it no matter how many times you say it again.

quote:
umm, The left created them.

Ummm...no, they didn't. That's from antifa, themselves. No matter how much Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront wants to lie to you and tell you otherwise, that doesn't make it so. Antifa knows where they came from and they are not part of the left. They have specifically stated so.

They are anarchists.

quote:
Robert Byrd.

What about him? Do you honestly not know his history? What am I thinking? Of course you're going to say that you do and when you are asked to compare and contrast the Byrd of 2006 with the Byrd of 1946, you'll hem and haw and bluster and avoid and evade and distract.

Isn't it odd that a former member of the Ku Klux Klan would eventually get a 100% rating from the NAACP and get positive reviews from the ACLU?

quote:
White supremacy was also created by democrats.

Yep. And the Democratic Party of 1860 is precisely the same as the one of 1960.

Nice little talking point you've got going there. Shame it doesn't connect with reality. If white supremacists are Democrats, why did they vote for Trump?

quote:
Please refer to globalist.

Dog whistle heard loud and clear.

Your anti-Semitism is showing.

quote:
Please stop lumping all people you think are on the right, on the right, you sound bigoted.

If you don't like being associated with bigots, then stop associating with them. If you don't like being accused of courting them, then stop courting them. If you don't like being accused of being a bigot, then stop acting like one.

You seem to be confused: Refusal to accept bigotry is not bigotry against the bigoted.

quote:
Again, who is "the left"?

The ones who identify as such.

That's why there's no such thing as the "alt-left." Nobody claims to be such. That Trump (and you) want to cast about to find somebody, anybody to distract from the reality of the situation that conservatism in general and Republicans in particular have actively and deliberately courted the white supremacist, neo-Nazi constituency by calling any random group "alt-left" doesn't make it so.

quote:
It is everyone's problem.

Why? Do you see anybody claiming them for their own? Do you see any major political operatives actively courting them? Can you name a single member of any administration that has put one of them into their administration?

Just because *you're* hyperventilating doesn't mean there's a reason to be pissing your pants. But then again, this isn't about them being any real threat. It is nothing but a distraction from the reality of the situation: Your party and ideology has actively and purposefully courted the white supremacists and neo-Nazis. You've been caught and now you're trying to avoid and evade.

And not because you're actually looking to avoid having to take responsibility. Instead, you are avoiding and evading so that you can continue to court them, continue to implement their bigotry, and hope nobody notices.

quote:
quote:
Quick question: When the right and the left gather for protest rallies, which is the side that brings the guns, shields, military gear, etc.?

Antifa now.

And since antifa isn't left, how will you answer my question?

Are you claiming that those white supremacists chanting, "Jews will not replace us!" were really on the left?

quote:
Millions of gun owners have been patiently watching and standing by.

Patiently? You mean deliberately marching with an intent to commit violence such that you end up killing a woman and beating a man nearly to death is "standing by"?

Why are they bringing their guns and riot gear if they're not intending to use it?

quote:
You know all those "violent gun owners on the right" are going to save your sorry ass when the time comes.

On the contrary: They're going to shoot themselves first. You do understand that, yes? If you have a gun, the most likely way it will be used is against yourself. It will hardly ever be used to "save" someone.

And note the double-standard: It's OK for you to have a gun, but it's the end of the world if someone else decides to arm themselves in response to that.

quote:
As you have witnessed there are some pretty cool heads on the real right.

They're all "real."

The GOP is Trump.
Trump is the GOP.

And they've all courted the racist, white supremacist, neo-Nazis.

That's why Trump called them "us."

quote:
Maybe do some studying on militia groups and what they actually do, not what you hear on CNN (the biggest bullshit network out there ATM)

(*chuckle*)

OK...how about the FBI? They did, after all, put out a report on terrorism in the US, especially right-wing terrorism.

Oh, that's right...you've conveniently "not heard" about their study of terrorism in the US and determined that the largest source of terrorism in the US is right-wing militias. More than left-wing. More than "jihadists." Those white supremacists and neo-Nazis you're defending are the biggest terrorist threat in the US. It's been that way for nearly 30 years.

But the FBI is "bullshit," right? They don't know anything about it, right?

quote:
There is direct funding.

Except there isn't or you'd have provided evidence by now.

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To BLM and other hate groups as well.

BLM is not a hate group and has no ties to antifa.

You need to stop watching Fox/Breitbart/Stormfront. They are lying to you. Just because you feel "targeted" by BLM doesn't mean they hate you.

It means you're probably engaging in or supporting racism and are being called out on it.

Remember: Fighting against bigotry is not bigotry against bigots.

quote:
It's not just from the left, it is from the globalists.

There's that dog whistle again.

We get it. You're an anti-Semite. Just come out and say it and stop trying to hide it.

quote:
Stop thinking in terms of left and right. open your mind a bit.

(*chuckle*)

Remember when I mentioned "credibility"? There is no credibility in you lecturing anybody bout "thinking."

quote:
Trumps statement was 100% legit.

And thus, you prove my point.

Hint: Lies are not "legit." They are the opposite of "legit."

You see, Trump doesn't think. He simply reacts. Unable to speak coherently about any topic, he falls back to his core attitude of racism and victimhood. Thus, we are not surprised that he makes a speech supporting white supremacists and neo-Nazis and then claims to be shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you) that people don't take kindly to it.

And that leads us to you, little narrow-minded, racist anti-Semite that you are.

quote:
And what the fuck does "given your history mean"?

And we're back to my comment about "credibility" and you feigning innocence. I think on my old computer I still have my little file of your quotes that I repeatedly posted whenever you tried to claim that you never said something. This was before there was any real searching on the board (which even now is somewhat difficult to manage). Do you want me to do look for it?

In the meantime, I'll just use the searching here:

Message 103 where I responded to your claim that:

I want you to know, that I do not think my idea of God is mightier than anyone else's, and that I do not have a problem with other religions, or atheists. God created it all, so there is a purpose for it.

So I posted your own statements:

riVeRraT says that Jews are fools for not following Jesus:

Message 172 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread

The Jews need Jesus to complete their own prophecies.

riVeRraT says that Jews refuse to accept the divinity of Jesus out of fear:

Message 241 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread:

No they do it out of fear.

The Jews I have spoken with are forbidden to even talk about Jesus. This order comes from their rabbi. They never discuss him, ever.

Message 260 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread :

I have experienced this lie from a few Jews first hand.

I have worked for Moses, I have sipped whiskey from a silver cup in the cadilac of suka's, and told Jacob about Jesus, whoile his wife was sweating bullets, because of what we were talking about.

In fact, when directly asked about it, you admitted it straight up:

Message 264 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread :

You claim that Jews reject Jesus because they are afraid and you have the gall to sit there and say you do not "pre-judge"? You have the unmitigated arrogance to claim that you tell the truth?

That is what I see with my eyes.

Have you had a change of heart, riVeRraT? I've been away for a while so I don't know if you've had an epiphany and thus have renounced your previous claims.

So yes, riVeRraT. You have a long history of bigotry in general and anti-Semitism in particular.

quote:
I stand behind every single thing I wrote in this forum, all 5000+ posts.

I'm sure you do. That doesn't stop you from being a racist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot.

quote:
When I was wrong or learned something, I admitted it.

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

That's just precious.

quote:
Maybe it's your history we should be concerned about, Mr.4th demension.

Right...because if you aren't smart enough to understand it, then anybody who does is just itching for a fight.

quote:
My statement is legit also.

So since antifa directly contradicts you, then that must mean...

...that YOU are antifa!

quote:
It's a known fact for years now.

"Years"? Do you even know the history of anti-fascism?

quote:
Maybe back in the 80's when the Euro was started (the start of globalism and the NWO) it was conspiracy.

Dude...we heard the dog whistle. Just stop it and say it out in the open.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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