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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Really Faith. You know perfectly well that there is a huge amount of evidence against the Flood, even though you try to deny it. You can't be bothered to even understand the mainstream view before attempting to refute it with silly misrepresentations.
You aren't telling the truth at all.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: The standard theory can't be known either. Of course it can be known. We have evidence from which we've constructed frameworks of understanding called theories that are both explanatory and predictive.
And it's so utterly absurd I would hope some people would soon wake up and see it. Having no argument, you engage in name calling.
Faith writes: Yes I know early geologists expected geology to confirm the Bible but their imagination was too limited to see that it really does;... What you really mean is, "They disagree with me, so having no answer I shall impugn them."
...that's why they went with the so-called evidence of an ancient earth, which hardly deserves the term "evidence" at all, since until radiometric dating methods came along it was just a lot of stuff like Hutton's assessment of Siccar Point "Oh that must have taken a LONG time." Once again, having no answer you impugn the source.
He was wrong, it wasn't formed in stages, it was formed all at once in the Flood, and the unconformity occurred after all the strata were laid down, just as similar formations occurred elsewhere after the Flood. Having no evidence or argument, you just repeat your position. Others in this thread have provided outlines of some of the scientific evidence for modern geological theory and identify some of problems with your views so I won't repeat them, but the messages are Message 215, Message 219and Message 223. We can get into as much detail as necessary as long as you as you don't ignore evidence that in your view is too stupid or ridiculous or insane or too white, and you don't descend into insult mode and one-line answers, and you stick around. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: The evidence is no doubt some completely circumstantial facts that are imaginatively but falsely interpreted into seas. Having nothing of substance you instead deliver a one-line response that boils down to the empty, "No, they're wrong." If you have nothing to say then you should say nothing. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: I repeat the truth, sorry you don't see it. Yet another emtpy one-liner. If you have nothing to say in response to PaulK's post about ignoring evidence and repeating false claims over and over, and about fossils representing "a long history of life," then say nothing. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... that Da Vinci got it right that the mountains weren't there when the seashells were deposited, they were underwater:... Marine deposits alternating with dry land deposits ergo multiple local floods. Where does the bible say that?
... and got raised up after the Flood into mountains. Where again does the bible say that? Or is this just your personal delusion explanation. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Da Vinci missed it, what can I say? And that folks, is faith's entire argument in a nutshell: it doesn't matter who figures out the geology, if they don't agree with faith they are wrong. The overbearing sin of pride unrepentant. Is there any point in "debating" with someone who preaches rather than debates? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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RAZD writes: Is there any point in "debating" with someone who preaches rather than debates? There is not just a point but rather a necessity. It is essential to continue presenting reality when fantasies are presented as fact; if for no other reason then the fact that someone who is honest and not willfully ignorant may well read the posts and realize that what they have been told is utter nonsense. Reality trumps logic. Change leaves evidence. Faith presents no evidence, no model for a very good reason. It is simply impossible to support Young Earth, the Biblical Flood or Special Creation since none of them ever happened.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
...but instead we have a pretty atheistic science these days. That's the only kind of science there is! The religiously-inspired "science" and creation "science" are not real science as they ignore evidence in favor of supporting a priori beliefs. [We see examples that in many of the posts on this website, and indeed in this very thread.]Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What if there is a God who made it all and your atheistic science just completely misses it?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Did He?
However, Jesus also indicated that believing without the evidence was preferable. quote:It looks to me like He was saying that believing without evidence is also acceptable. There's no clear indication of preference.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
As long as atheistic science works for mundane tasks like curing disease and putting men on the moon, who cares if it's Ye Olde Absolute Trvth?
What if there is a God who made it all and your atheistic science just completely misses it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Jesus isn't exactly advocating believing "without evidence," but believing the witnesses who should have been recognized as trustworthy. Thomas was told by the other disciples that Jesus was risen and refused to believe them. Jesus graciously allowed him the direct evidence of seeing it himself but He is saying it would have been better had He believed the disciples. Witness evidence is also evidence. We are not ever left with NO evidence, we are told to believe and that means believe what is written in the Bible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I quoted Him. He didn't say it was better.
Jesus graciously allowed him the direct evidence of seeing it himself but He is saying it would have been better had He believed the disciples. Faith writes:
Poor evidence, which is why Jesus offered real, hard evidence.
Witness evidence is also evidence. Faith writes:
That is obviously NOT what Jesus meant, since His death and resurrection had not been written in the Bible yet.
... we are told to believe and that means believe what is written in the Bible.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I quoted Him. He didn't say it was better. You quoted some of what Jesus said. It was clear that part of what Jesus said served as an admonishment to Thomas.
Then Jesus told him, Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
That isn't clear at all.
It was clear that part of what Jesus said served as an admonishment to Thomas.
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