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PaulK
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Message 226 of 899 (819299)
09-09-2017 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Faith
09-09-2017 4:34 AM


Really Faith. You know perfectly well that there is a huge amount of evidence against the Flood, even though you try to deny it. You can't be bothered to even understand the mainstream view before attempting to refute it with silly misrepresentations.
You aren't telling the truth at all.

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Percy
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Message 227 of 899 (819301)
09-09-2017 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Faith
09-08-2017 3:28 PM


Re: Utter lies from jar
Faith writes:
The standard theory can't be known either.
Of course it can be known. We have evidence from which we've constructed frameworks of understanding called theories that are both explanatory and predictive.
And it's so utterly absurd I would hope some people would soon wake up and see it.
Having no argument, you engage in name calling.
Faith writes:
Yes I know early geologists expected geology to confirm the Bible but their imagination was too limited to see that it really does;...
What you really mean is, "They disagree with me, so having no answer I shall impugn them."
...that's why they went with the so-called evidence of an ancient earth, which hardly deserves the term "evidence" at all, since until radiometric dating methods came along it was just a lot of stuff like Hutton's assessment of Siccar Point "Oh that must have taken a LONG time."
Once again, having no answer you impugn the source.
He was wrong, it wasn't formed in stages, it was formed all at once in the Flood, and the unconformity occurred after all the strata were laid down, just as similar formations occurred elsewhere after the Flood.
Having no evidence or argument, you just repeat your position.
Others in this thread have provided outlines of some of the scientific evidence for modern geological theory and identify some of problems with your views so I won't repeat them, but the messages are Message 215, Message 219
and Message 223. We can get into as much detail as necessary as long as you as you don't ignore evidence that in your view is too stupid or ridiculous or insane or too white, and you don't descend into insult mode and one-line answers, and you stick around.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 228 of 899 (819302)
09-09-2017 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
09-09-2017 4:33 AM


Re: The seas came in and the seas went out (repeatedly)
Faith writes:
The evidence is no doubt some completely circumstantial facts that are imaginatively but falsely interpreted into seas.
Having nothing of substance you instead deliver a one-line response that boils down to the empty, "No, they're wrong." If you have nothing to say then you should say nothing.
--Percy

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Message 229 of 899 (819304)
09-09-2017 7:43 AM
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09-09-2017 4:34 AM


Faith writes:
I repeat the truth, sorry you don't see it.
Yet another emtpy one-liner. If you have nothing to say in response to PaulK's post about ignoring evidence and repeating false claims over and over, and about fossils representing "a long history of life," then say nothing.
--Percy

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Message 230 of 899 (819305)
09-09-2017 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
09-09-2017 3:19 AM


... that Da Vinci got it right that the mountains weren't there when the seashells were deposited, they were underwater:...
Marine deposits alternating with dry land deposits ergo multiple local floods. Where does the bible say that?
... and got raised up after the Flood into mountains.
Where again does the bible say that?
Or is this just your personal delusion explanation.
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Message 231 of 899 (819306)
09-09-2017 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
09-08-2017 11:00 PM


Da Vinci missed it, what can I say?
And that folks, is faith's entire argument in a nutshell: it doesn't matter who figures out the geology, if they don't agree with faith they are wrong.
The overbearing sin of pride unrepentant. Is there any point in "debating" with someone who preaches rather than debates?
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Message 232 of 899 (819307)
09-09-2017 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by RAZD
09-09-2017 8:02 AM


Why respond
RAZD writes:
Is there any point in "debating" with someone who preaches rather than debates?
There is not just a point but rather a necessity. It is essential to continue presenting reality when fantasies are presented as fact; if for no other reason then the fact that someone who is honest and not willfully ignorant may well read the posts and realize that what they have been told is utter nonsense.
Reality trumps logic.
Change leaves evidence.
Faith presents no evidence, no model for a very good reason. It is simply impossible to support Young Earth, the Biblical Flood or Special Creation since none of them ever happened.

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Message 233 of 899 (819312)
09-09-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Faith
09-09-2017 4:25 AM


Atheistic science?
...but instead we have a pretty atheistic science these days.
That's the only kind of science there is!
The religiously-inspired "science" and creation "science" are not real science as they ignore evidence in favor of supporting a priori beliefs.
[We see examples that in many of the posts on this website, and indeed in this very thread.]

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Message 234 of 899 (819317)
09-09-2017 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Coyote
09-09-2017 9:58 AM


Re: Atheistic science?
What if there is a God who made it all and your atheistic science just completely misses it?

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ringo
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Message 235 of 899 (819318)
09-09-2017 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by NoNukes
09-08-2017 3:47 PM


NoNukes writes:
However, Jesus also indicated that believing without the evidence was preferable.
Did He?
quote:
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
It looks to me like He was saying that believing without evidence is also acceptable. There's no clear indication of preference.

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ringo
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Message 236 of 899 (819319)
09-09-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Faith
09-09-2017 11:54 AM


Re: Atheistic science?
Faith writes:
What if there is a God who made it all and your atheistic science just completely misses it?
As long as atheistic science works for mundane tasks like curing disease and putting men on the moon, who cares if it's Ye Olde Absolute Trvth?

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Message 237 of 899 (819320)
09-09-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by ringo
09-09-2017 11:55 AM


Jesus isn't exactly advocating believing "without evidence," but believing the witnesses who should have been recognized as trustworthy. Thomas was told by the other disciples that Jesus was risen and refused to believe them. Jesus graciously allowed him the direct evidence of seeing it himself but He is saying it would have been better had He believed the disciples. Witness evidence is also evidence. We are not ever left with NO evidence, we are told to believe and that means believe what is written in the Bible.

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ringo
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Message 238 of 899 (819321)
09-09-2017 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Faith
09-09-2017 12:01 PM


Faith writes:
Jesus graciously allowed him the direct evidence of seeing it himself but He is saying it would have been better had He believed the disciples.
I quoted Him. He didn't say it was better.
Faith writes:
Witness evidence is also evidence.
Poor evidence, which is why Jesus offered real, hard evidence.
Faith writes:
... we are told to believe and that means believe what is written in the Bible.
That is obviously NOT what Jesus meant, since His death and resurrection had not been written in the Bible yet.

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Message 239 of 899 (819323)
09-09-2017 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by ringo
09-09-2017 12:05 PM


I quoted Him. He didn't say it was better.
You quoted some of what Jesus said. It was clear that part of what Jesus said served as an admonishment to Thomas.
Then Jesus told him, Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

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ringo
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Message 240 of 899 (819324)
09-09-2017 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by NoNukes
09-09-2017 12:24 PM


NoNukes writes:
It was clear that part of what Jesus said served as an admonishment to Thomas.
That isn't clear at all.

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