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NoNukes
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Message 1154 of 4573 (818157)
08-24-2017 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1152 by Percy
08-23-2017 3:54 PM


Re: very fine people on both sides!?
A white nationalist is someone who wants the country to be dominated by whites in terms of governance and culture.
Interesting definition.
I say that not because I have a problem with your definition. I think you are entirely correct. However, I think the term covers a spectrum of behavior that ranges between something acceptable and something racist in the extreme.
You want to be proud of your Anglican or Aryan roots. Well, there is nothing particularly wrong with that. You worry about Hispanics becoming prominent when the ATM asks you what language to use, then you are at another place on the spectrum. You want America to be a completely white nation, and you are ready to fight about it? Then you are at yet another place on the spectrum. Did you drive your car over some anti-Klan protesters in the street... I think you get the picture.
One of the things that inhibit discussion on this topic is that folks don't like the lumping that invariably happens. Folks who want to celebrate statues of Robert E. Lee might not feel that they belong anywhere on that spectrum, but likely they would have a hard time convincing me that they aren't smack dab in the middle of it, if not way right.
I don't know what New Cat's Eyes's exact issue is. It may be something different from the one I am currently discussing. But given the fact that you and I have disparate views on the subject of historical monuments, but share similar difficulties in getting NCE to explain his position, I am leaning towards blaming any disconnect on his communication skills. He is just not being clear and thus gives the impression of holding back.
I suggest that NCE just speak plainly about his position, and ignore the fact that folks like me might think lesser of him. He may get called on that, but at least he will have a chance to explain. But so far, what he says is incoherent. He is requiring folks to guess what he means.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1157 of 4573 (818165)
08-24-2017 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1156 by Diomedes
08-24-2017 2:36 PM


Re: very fine people on both sides!?
Diomedes writes:
I can tell you that as someone who is of Greek heritage, despite the fact that I am technically classified as 'white'
Back in the day (early the 20th century), US immigration laws explicitly allowed white people and folks of African descent to become naturalized citizens.[1] People from India were technically classified as caucasian, but our Supreme Court ruled that with respect to immigration policy, not all folks who are scientifically caucasian are white.
In any event, your point is well taken. In my haste, I had not given white nationalists their due for going beyond the bounds of mere race to find people to not want to be around.
For those who want to look stuff like this up...
[1] Naturalization Act of 1906
[2] United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind :: 261 U.S. 204 (1923) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1161 of 4573 (818478)
08-29-2017 10:48 AM


Let's not pretend that this post is anything other than what it is; yet another presentation on my part supporting the proposition that Trump is a clumsy, egotistical, and dangerous buffoon who no sane person should want as commander in chief.
"Trump says 'all options on table' after North Korea launches missile over Japan"
After a bunch of useless threats, Trump concludes that Kim Jong-Un is listening to reason and acting more civilized because the attack on Guam was called off. What is the immediate response? North Korea tests a bunch of short range missiles (apparently with little success) followed by launching a missile that flies over Japan.
Steve Bannon was right about one thing. There are no good options, military or otherwise for reeling in North Korea. Saying so got him fired, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. However, out of all of the non-options, Trump picks the one that fails within hours and makes us look weak to boot.
Here is a hypothetical for you. If you were the leader of Iran, what lesson would you take from how Trump deals with North Korea?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1164 of 4573 (818525)
08-30-2017 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1162 by 1.61803
08-29-2017 3:48 PM


I for one was glad he stayed on script. Most likely prepared by the pentagon brass.
What would be a good response in your opinion?
Saying that all options are on the table is a meaningless response. Nonetheless, I am not complaining about that.
What I am complaining about were the responses and nonsense from Trump prior to last the missile firings. Example, daring NK to make another threat to which NK responded by threatening Guam. Then when NK announced that they would not bomb Guam, Trump claims that his methods have been effective at teaching NK a lesson, to which NK responds by shooting missiles over Japan.
After all of that Trump finally says essentially nothing. It's about time. It is pretty clear that Kim Jong-un is using threats from the West to help prop himself up domestically. Well, here comes Trump time after time to oblige him with primarily empty rhetoric. Well, at least it is empty when he is not sticking his foot in his mouth. But claiming that Korea belongs to China or some other shite.
The US "looks" weak when it comes to NK because our country and everyone else has been kicking the can down the road for decades.
Wrong. There was nothing to do then, and there is nothing to do now.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1169 of 4573 (818605)
08-31-2017 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1168 by riVeRraT
08-30-2017 11:39 PM


I guess South Korea is doing nothing now also? China also responded stronger than usual.
Do you believe that either of these two countries have made an effective response? I do not.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1173 of 4573 (818653)
08-31-2017 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1172 by Percy
08-31-2017 12:37 PM


Re: Fox News Poll: Trump tearing country apart
This Fox News report on a Fox News Poll contains the following tidbits, quoted verbatim:
Just like every other poll, this one reveals a core support among most Republicans, who view things through a completely different lens than do independents, Democrats, and a small but growing number of republicans.
What is not visible in the summary, but is apparent in many other polls, is that the large body of Republican support is eroding. It is gone from the 90s to mid-70s over time and represents most of the day light we are seeing between the 40 percent level earlier in the year and the 35% approval level we are seeing right now.
If Trump can manage to handle hurricane Harvey without a "great job Brownie" level gaffe, perhaps he can stabilize the current downward trend. After all, a president's job during a natural disaster is almost entirely PR as long as Congress does not make a buffoon out of itself, and FEMA with local authorities do their jobs.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1174 of 4573 (818654)
08-31-2017 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1165 by DrJones*
08-30-2017 12:00 PM


Re: Radical Cleric Threatens Violence
It's Jim Bakker. Nothing to see here.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1178 of 4573 (818663)
08-31-2017 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1176 by riVeRraT
08-31-2017 6:14 PM


The effectiveness of their response is not what raises an eyebrow. It's that their response is more than usual.
I don't give a crap about your eyebrows. Other than making idiots feel good, futile gestures are worthless. The problem remains. You are arguing that if the South Koreans are taking silly actions, then the US should too. This despite the fact that futile gestures only help the NK dictator maintain his grip on his country.
I am going to have to review your posting history. If it turns out that it is replete with more of this same kind of nonsense, I will know whether I am wasting my time.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1189 of 4573 (819128)
09-06-2017 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by riVeRraT
09-05-2017 4:47 PM


Do me a favor now, stop replying to me. I don't need your fucking review.
Didn't ask for your permission. And, yeah, it turns out you are a blooming idiot.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1191 of 4573 (819177)
09-07-2017 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1190 by Percy
09-07-2017 10:45 AM


Re: Bernie Sanders on The Late Show
In other news Trump has reached across the aisle to make a deal with Democrats to keep the government open: Trump Backs Democrats to Seal Stopgap Budget Deal
And given that this "reaching out" is at the expense of his leverage to get money for the wall, I find it very substantial. I wonder how his base will react to that and to his statements about taking care of Dreamers if Congress fails to act.
It's a pretty savvy move, that is bound to get him some cred beyond his base. I would not have thought the man capable of so doing.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1197 of 4573 (819254)
09-08-2017 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1194 by riVeRraT
09-07-2017 6:35 PM


Re: Bernie Sanders on The Late Show
First off his "base" is not a conglomerates. We are diverse. The majority of his base are not racist(no matter what you think in your pea brain).
Despite being diverse, there are still trends among the base, and those trends do not include support for the folks protected by the Dream act. You don't speak for everyone.
Last bunch that busted using a tunnel, there were 23 Mexicans, and 5 Chinese nationals.
Interesting. The sources I look at given a completely different breakdown, with the majority being Chinese. But apparently, you are admitting that your diverse base is largely of one mind on the wall. Perhaps there might be other things they agree on.
His base already knew this was coming, a long time ago.
I suspect that this is not true. Looks like your posts are not becoming more informative. But at least Faith agrees with you.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1199 of 4573 (819334)
09-09-2017 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1194 by riVeRraT
09-07-2017 6:35 PM


Re: Bernie Sanders on The Late Show
The only ones who might have a problem are a extremely small group of bible thumping white nationals.
I give you credit for your own opinion, but your statement turns out to not be true about Trump's base. History has shown that DACA and programs like it are not popular among large numbers of folks, and in particular with Republicans. We know that from the legislative history of folks trying to get DACA like bills passed over the last 16 years or so.
If Trump can manage to get Congress to pass something remotely like DACA, that would indeed be impressive. He could count on a good measure of Democrats to support him, but some Republicans Congress critters are already grumbling that they are not on board with the concept. Look how far we have come since the days when Reagan and HW Bush were competing on how compassionate that they could be on this topic.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1204 of 4573 (820589)
09-23-2017 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1203 by Percy
09-23-2017 3:48 PM


Re: Fake President Donald Trump Takes On NFL Players
"Going to the White House is considered a great honor for a championship team. Stephen Curry is hesitating, therefore invitation is withdrawn!"
Yet another hilarious lie. Stephen Curry did not hesitate. He said he is not coming. Kevin Durant says he is not coming. Steve Kerr cannot stand Trump. It is too late to pretend that you are putting your foot down. Those folks were not coming.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1228 of 4573 (821110)
10-02-2017 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1227 by Taq
10-02-2017 1:17 PM


Re: People who voted for Jill Stein were tricked, and we are all paying for it
I would bet a lunch tab that if half the people who voted for third party candidates in those precincts had instead voted for Hillary that she would have won
Maybe.
But what does seem to be true is that many of those voters are holding anybody except themselves responsible for the outcome of their votes. That's what this portion of the thread, and the similar conversation in another thread, is about.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


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Message 1232 of 4573 (821116)
10-02-2017 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1229 by Taq
10-02-2017 3:14 PM


Re: People who voted for Jill Stein were tricked, and we are all paying for it
This is probably one of the poorest analogies I have come up with
My only objection is that it uses baseball...

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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