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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
No, something about the water around the ropes. Its lack of oxygen, to be precise.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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According to this brief excerpt from this Black Sea webpage, we shouldn't expect to see dead sea life on the floor of the Black Sea:
quote: But according to the Wikipedia article on fossil zones of the Green River Formation, some of the best areas of fossil preservation were in anoxic zones:
quote: So apparently the anoxic zones of the Black sea disintegrate organic remains, while the anoxic zones of the Green River Formation did not. Seems contradictory. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And the many fish in various stages of burial in these very fine annual varves?
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: They are not the same VARIETY of trilobite, or "race" which is probably the more correct term, but they are both trilobites, a species or a Kind. Well now you're just making it up again. Scientists have determined that the trilobite class is divided into orders, families, genera and species, and you think you can get away with just declaring that they're really all just the same species? Would you like to offer any evidence? Would you like to explain to us how trilobite species as different as this could interbreed:
Yes we could argue semantics forever and in fact that is often all the debates here amount to, but that is typical in a paradigm conflict. Again, Faith, there is no paradigm conflict. You are doing religion, as is obvious from your lack of any evidence. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What am I if I believe we were created to evolve through natural processes? That is a great question RR;. Although you might not know if from this discussion, usually on EvC, creationist means a person who advocates a literal reading of the creation story which requires that all animals be created kinds, and in particular that humans not be evolved from lower animals. I think at least some folks who are not acknowledging that we don't always refer to folks like you as creations are not being completely honest. But some people do call even folks who have a more Catholic view of creation creationists. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Faith writes: Is the evidence different in each paradigm? If so, how could this be possible? Paradigm clash turns out to mean basically that nobody can ever argue from a different paradigm because the established paradigm is treated as sacrosanct and there is no tolerance for the other.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
the evidence is often the same but the interpretation or conclusions different. The strata and the fossils are the evidence used by Old Earthers to prove the ancient earth and evolution, but I think they are better used to prove the Flood.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The trilobites you illustrate are obviously still trilobites, just different breeds or varieties.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: Oooooo hivvens to bitsy, a YEC's thoughts can only be validated by a gaggle of evolutionists? Ha de ha ha ha. I was making a serious point, Faith. You seem to have this odd misconception that you determine the value of your own ideas, when the truth is that their value derives from the opinions of others. You're also again descending into one-liner posts. Please don't do that. It is very rude and disrespectful to those who put a lot of time and effort into replying to your posts. I had detailed rebuttals in Message 423 and Message 435, and then you made the same points again as if they had never been rebutted, so I referred you to those rebuttals, and now I'm referring you to them yet again. Also, your point about "huge flat sedimentary rocks" has been rebutted numerous times, but you're ignoring all the rebuttals and simply repeating your original point. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The question is Which others? A gaggle of biased anticreationists? Ha ha de ha.
OK I'll make an effort to review your posts but the rebuttals do tend to be the same old same old so what's the point? I state my case, you state yours. That's the best that ever happens here. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I state my case, you state yours. That's the best that ever happens here.
Not true Faith. One side states the evidence as well as the model, method, mechanism, process and procedure and then also shows that the model, process, mechanism, method and procedure happen today while you provide no evidence, no model, no method, no mechanism, no process or procedure and no examples of anything relating to reality today. BUT you still miss the point. You claim that the Earth is young. One, just one example like the Green River Varves proves the Earth is NOT young. You claim there was a world-wide flood. One, just one example of a place or tree or technology or culture that was not destroyed in the flood proves the Biblical flood never happened.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no way to "rebut" the huge flat sedimentary rocks.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: The trilobites you illustrate are obviously still trilobites, just different breeds or varieties. That's just a bald declaration lacking any evidence and delivered by someone with a long history of getting things wrong. There is obviously not just one species of trilobites. In fact if I had showed you this one all by itself like this you wouldn't have any idea it was a trilobite:
So let's you quit the nonsense and be honest. You have no idea how to classify trilobites into orders, families, genera and species, and no background that leads you to think you should. The webpage [url=A Guide to the Orders of Trilobites[]A Guide to the Orders of Trilobites[/url] contains a great deal of information about trilobites. Look it over. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You kidding that isn't sa recognizable trilobite?
there is OBVIOUSLY one species of trilobites with many microevolved varieties thereof. The idea that they should be classified into anything other than Species is specious. How do you suppose it got called a trilobite anyway if it isn't recognizable as a trilobite? The taxonomic classification system is entirely a matter of subjective judgment. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: There is no way to "rebut" the huge flat sedimentary rocks. Stop being purposefully dense. It wasn't "huge flat sedimentary rocks" that was rebutted, but your point about them. In Message 402 you said:
Faith in Message 402 writes: And there is also the absurdity of associating a time period with a huge flat sedimentary rock, let alone ALL the time periods. The very idea of a time period so clearly demarcated from others is absurd to begin with, and having them marked by sedimentary deposits is eyerolling absurdity. This has been rebutted a number of times throughout this thread. It is time to start responding to the rebuttals and stop mindlessly repeating yourself. And stop with the mindless one-liner posts. I also mentioned Message 423 and Message 435 that you ignored, and that you just ignored again. Sometimes it seems that you're making a concerted effort to be as annoying as possible. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix message link.
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