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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I disagree, sorry.
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Percy Member Posts: 22494 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: I REFERRED TO KARST FORMATION AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE DISSOLUTION OF LIMESTONE, WHICH IN THE CASE OF THE CHANNEL OF TEMPLE BUTTE LIMESTONE WAS FLOWING THROUGH, NOT FORMING KARSTS. Oh, I see we're back to all caps again. Can one-liner responses be far behind? You know, if you're going to behave like a six-year old throwing a temper tantrum in a department store, don't you think it's going to negatively impact your credibility and how seriously you're taken? The way you're acting seems to reflect an attitude of, "I can't muster any effective arguments, so I'll just be as annoying as possible." You make all these complaints about how you're treated, but you bring it all on yourself. The Temple Butte limestone are sedimentary deposits, not anything that resulted from limestone saturated waters.
HOWEVER, YES THERE ARE KARSTS IN THE GRAND CANYON. We're not talking about the layers next to the Colorado, which of course are influenced by water. We're talking about how the layers formed before the Colorado even existed. Flowing limestone saturated water and karsts were not a factor in the formation of any of the layers of the Grand Canyon. Layers not adjacent to the canyon do not have caves or karsts.
ALSO, IF YOU LOOK UP MUAV FORMATION AND TEMPLE BUTTE FORMATION YOU'LL SEE AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE CAVE FORMATION IN BOTH, NOT EXTENSIVE BUT THERE. Yes, of course, in caves formed by the Colorado. Now, in strata not adjacent to the Colorado would you like to explain how you could possibly be correct given that all the strata are sedimentary and do not contain caves and karsts? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22494 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: OH GOOD GRIEF. Oh boy, a one-liner response, did I call it or what. If history is any guide can threats to abandon the thread be far behind? --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Disagreeing with the facts - and much of what I said is clear fact - is not a reasonable position.
It is a fact that your points are often directly addressed. It is a fact that the people addressing them often do more work in answering you than you ever did in making the original post. It is a fact that they often muster more evidence and better reasoning than you have managed. And you say that you lose respect for them because of that? You feel entitled to deny that they addressed your points at all? You complain that people don't agree with you despite the successful rebuttals? Why should anyone have respect for you when you behave like that?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I disagree, sorry.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The strata were all laid down in the Flood
The Flood was a lot of water. The sediments were all wet when laid down. There was plenty of opportunity acidic water to cut a channel through which liquid limestone could run after the Flood water receded. A channel rather than a layer certainly suggests liquid running through it. Flat upper surface suggests it occurred between the layers after the Redwall and the Muav were already there. Channel was cut through the Muav. It was filled up with Temple Butte in liquid form. The caves one can see in the Muav and the Temple Butte are not near the river. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Then you are doomed to endless frustration here trying to bully us into agreeing with your foolish fantasies. That is not good for anyone. There is simply no way for you to win short of honest argument and if your refusal to accept reality gets in the way of that then that, sadly, is your problem.
Certainly I can do no more than try to get you to see the truth. But you just refuse to do so. Too bad for you.
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Percy Member Posts: 22494 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: OH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. SO WHAT. I SHOULDN'T BE HERE AT ALL. I HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR THIS NONSENSE. OMIGOD, my next prediction, threats to leave, am I hot or what!
I THINK YOU'VE MIXED UP MY GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT HOW THE EROSION BETWEEN LAYERS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS CAUSED BY RUNOFF, WITH THE LIMESTONE DISSOLUTION EXPLANATION FOR TEMPLE BUTTE. The Temple Butte streambed is filled with sedimentary layers. "Limestone dissolution" somehow filling the streambed would leave completely different evidence.
I NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS MADHOUSE. There's nothing unique about EvC Forum. It's just a normal discussion board. The same problems you experience here would follow you to any other discussion board. Even at a discussion board that shared your viewpoint you would find ways to argue with everyone. The only reason you stay at this discussion board is because the dark background is easier on your eyes. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a channel. It was filled with liquid limestone.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why don't you stop being a vindictive creep?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I would be astonished to find pebbles in the bottom of the Mississippi River anywhere in Louisiana. Heck, anwhere south of St Louis! Riverbeds don't get pebbles when they can only carry silt.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
What the hell is liquid limestone, Faith? What are you smoking?
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Percy Member Posts: 22494 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The strata were all laid down in the Flood We know the strata were not deposited by the Biblical Flood because floods don't sort layers by material, fossil order and radiometric age. We know they can't intersperse layers of dense material with layers of lighter material. We know they can't intersperse land layers with marine layers. We know they can't deposit layers with tracks and burrows. We know they cannot deposit layers with unconformities.
The Flood was a lot of water. The sediments were all wet when laid down. There was plenty of opportunity acidic water to cut a channel through which liquid limestone could run after the Flood water receded. As mentioned just before, the layers in the stream channels are sedimentary, not material that condensed out of limestone saturated water, which wouldn't exist in the volumes necessary anyway.
A channel rather than a layer certainly suggests liquid running through it. Of course liquid ran through it. Water ran through it when it was a river on the surface.
Flat upper surface suggests it occurred between the layers after the Redwall and the Muav were already there. Channel was cut through the Muav. It was filled up with Temple Butte in liquid form. Again, the layers are sedimentary, precisely the same in composition, density, texture, etc., as the rest of the layers of the Temple Butte formation. Limestone saturated water would have left deposits of a completely different nature.
The caves one can see in the Muav and the Temple Butte are not near the river. Of course they're near the river. If they weren't near the river in the walls of the Grand Canyon then we wouldn't even know they exist. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22494 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: It's a channel. It was filled with liquid limestone. It's a streambed. It's filled with the exact same kind of sediments as the rest of the layer. --Percy
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The strata were all laid down in the Flood That's not a scientific argument; it's more like the automatic unthinking response one learns in catechism class.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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