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Phat
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Message 316 of 318 (820224)
09-17-2017 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Rrhain
09-17-2017 4:04 PM


Re: What The Story Says
So plants, which do not think, aren't alive?
Of course they are. we can readily measure the difference between a tree and a woodpile.
Why does the specialness of god regarding life only refer to thinking things?
Because living things have defined Him. If a hypothetical God only created a universe of rocks, He would still be special only to living things who defined Him. He may well be special even if we did not exist...but how would we know?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 317 of 318 (820235)
09-17-2017 10:57 PM
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09-17-2017 4:39 PM


Re: What The Story Says
But Phat, what does that mean with regard to the question, "Jesus is alive"?

What does it mean to be "alive"? Your definition excluded plants. But then you say that they are alive.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Phat
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Message 318 of 318 (820237)
09-18-2017 2:35 AM
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09-17-2017 10:57 PM


Re: What The Story Says
Rrhain writes:

What does it mean to be "alive"? Your definition excluded plants. But then you say that they are alive.

I answered the question as to how I personally defined being alive myself. As for humans, among other things it means being aware of movement and other life around you...particularly other humans.

A paralysed person may not show any signs of awareness...nor may someone in a coma, so the definition extends to a heart and a mind. Im still thinking this question through....


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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