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Phat
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Message 100 of 114 (820207)
09-17-2017 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by ringo
09-17-2017 2:16 PM


Re: What The Masses Deserve
What entitles you to a leg up on them?
If there were factors that made my paycheck larger than theirs and my bosses paychck larger than mine they would be
  • Education
  • Experience
  • Ability
    The union would add
  • Length Of Service
    You may argue that they have greater need.
  • Need
    My question is does need trump education and experience and ability and length of service? I too use the criteria of need. I am older, approaching retirement, and need a bigger paycheck than a 16 year old who got his girlfriend pregnant yet lives at home? So many scenarios factor into one member of a working-class needing more than another member.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 101 of 114 (820209)
    09-17-2017 3:14 PM
    Reply to: Message 99 by ringo
    09-17-2017 2:16 PM


    Re: What The Masses Deserve
    Why shouldn't the poor peons in the working class have the means too?
    Should they have the same means regardless of education? Regardless of ambition? Ability? Strength? Need?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 103 of 114 (820214)
    09-17-2017 3:32 PM
    Reply to: Message 102 by ringo
    09-17-2017 3:30 PM


    Re: What The Masses Deserve
    I think I agree with your argument. I only fight for more because I think I need it. You argue that raising the tide is better than individual initiative. You and Bernie Sanders would get along well!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 105 of 114 (820216)
    09-17-2017 3:40 PM
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    09-17-2017 3:35 PM


    Re: What The Masses Deserve
    So if you were the union chief officer, would you propose flat wage scales for every worker versus progressive wage scales based on length of service? Should the new guy get as much as the 14-year veteran?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 108 of 114 (820225)
    09-17-2017 4:43 PM
    Reply to: Message 107 by NoNukes
    09-17-2017 3:56 PM


    Re: What The Masses Deserve
    Although some workers (longtime veterans) have bought houses which they would lose if they went on a lengthy strike. The CEO's wouldnt even lose so much as sleep.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 110 of 114 (820257)
    09-18-2017 11:53 AM
    Reply to: Message 109 by ringo
    09-18-2017 11:41 AM


    Re: What The Masses Deserve
    The thing is, the union is the best way to negotiate raises. The non-union chains make roughly $8.00 an hour less than we do. Our argument is that the masses deserve a better pay rate. If we all simply wait for the bottom to catch up, we will all be on the bottom, swimming fervently towards the surface.
    I also figured out the unions strike fund, (roughly 24 million) would come out to $3400.00 per member...enough to last us about 10 weeks. You are right---nobody wants a strike, but nobody wants to get thrown in the pool with global labor values, which are far less than what most Americans make.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Phat
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    Message 112 of 114 (828941)
    02-27-2018 3:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
    07-08-2013 7:23 PM


    Debt 2018
    ... is it a fair reflection of a problem that the Western world seems unable to adequately acknowledge?
    All I know is that I looked at the numbers and realized that since the 2008 financial crises, public debt has literally doubled from 10 trillion to 20 trillion! Of course if adding to it prevents a collapse or deflation of my net worth, (buying power) Im reluctantly all for it. The alternative is for my social security, pension, and savings to all be leveraged collateral to reset it and pay it bck....which I would be highly irritated at.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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