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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
It has been done.
Lets say that you could hypothetically interview the author of the story(stories) Would you not ask them their motives and inspirations for writing the story? Would you ask them why they portrayed God as a villain at times, a rescuer at other times? What if they said that you were in the story? Would you request helping them to define your character?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Phat writes: It has been done. What has?
Lets say that you could hypothetically interview the author of the story(stories) Would you not ask them their motives and inspirations for writing the story? No, I'd ask them where they came from
Would you ask them why they portrayed God as a villain at times, a rescuer at other times? Ditto above
What if they said that you were in the story? Would you request helping them to define your character? What??? Have you been smoking that stuff again?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Faith, are you a presuppositionalist?
Wiki writes: I quoted Wiki, but perhaps there are better definitions...Im just curious is all. Presuppositionalism is a school of Christian apologetics that believes the Christian faith is the only basis for rational thought. It presupposes that the Bible is divine revelation and attempts to expose flaws in other worldviews. It claims that apart from presuppositions, one could not make sense of any human experience, and there can be no set of neutral assumptions from which to reason with a non-Christian.[1] Presuppositionalists claim that a Christian cannot consistently declare their belief in the necessary existence of the God of the Bible and simultaneously argue on the basis of a different set of assumptions that God may not exist and Biblical revelation may not be true. By the way, I don't think I am one. I believe in God and I believe that Jesus is alive within me (though I often irritate him) but I dont dismiss secular science. Edited by Phat, : sub titleChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't dismiss secular science either Phat. I wish people would get that straight. I'm against the specific sciences of the past, Old Earth Geology and evolution from species to species. I consider these bogus sciences, but all other sciences are legitimate and valuable because they are testable.
EvC won't let anyone be a presuppositionalist, they demand we prove everything. Otherwise I suppose I'm a presuppositionalist.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If you reject geology, you're rejecting chemistry and physics - not to mention mathematics.
I'm against the specific sciences of the past, Old Earth Geology and evolution from species to species.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't reject Geology as such just as I don't reject Biology as such, they both do important work. What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: I don't reject Geology as such just as I don't reject Biology as such, they both do important work. What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes. By rejecting old earth and evolution you are rejecting all geology and all biology because they both require a central theory to hold them together. Remove them and all you have is a list of parts. But additionally, you reject astronomy, molecular biology, genetics, embriology, radio science, dendrology and any number of other intererelated disciplines. You have absolutely no idea of the quantity and depth of research that lies behind all of these sciences. Because you can sit at your desk inventing stories that don't have to be supported by evidence or fit with other science and because you've had no training in any of them you're utterly clueless about what supports real science. If you enter the term 'evolutionary theory' into google scholar you get 2.63 million technical, peer reviewed papers. That's just the tip of it. For each paper you can follow their references to source and study the primary data yourself. Science isn't done by just thinking about stuff and making up stories.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I ought to know if I reject those other sciences and I know I don't.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: I ought to know if I reject those other sciences Yes, you really ought to. The fact that you don't think that you reject, say, radio dating, but simply say that it 'has to be wrong' ought to tell something about how you rationalise these things.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know I reject radiometric dating, what does that have to do with your overall statement that I reject whole sciences when I know I don't?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: I know I reject radiometric dating, what does that have to do with your overall statement that I reject whole sciences when I know I don't? If you reject the process of evolution and instead believe that species were created whole, you reject biology, if you claim that billion year old rocks are 4,000 years old you reject geology. If you believe that the stars are not billions of light years away then you reject astronomy......I could go on. You think you're picking and choosing between independent facts, you don't understand that all the sciences support each other, you can't reject one part without rejecting the whole. By claiming that the earth is 6,000 years old you reject all science and all its core principles and methodologies. You're essentially a mediaeval woman out of your time.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you reject the process of evolution and instead believe that species were created whole, you reject biology, if you claim that billion year old rocks are 4,000 years old you reject geology. If you believe that the stars are not billions of light years away then you reject astronomy......I could go on. You think you're picking and choosing between independent facts, you don't understand that all the sciences support each other, you can't reject one part without rejecting the whole. By claiming that the earth is 6,000 years old you reject all science and all its core principles and methodologies. You can't define for me what I believe. I believe in everything to do with the sciences that can be replicated and tested and that is in fact most of the content of most of the sciences.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: You can't define for me what I believe. I believe in everything to do with the sciences that can be replicated and tested and that is in fact most of the content of most of the sciences. I'm not defining what you believe, that would be an almighty and depressing task, I'm informing you of what you, yourself, reject, which turns out to be most of all science. Science is not religion, you can't pick and choose the bits you prefer - they all hang together and support each other. A belief in a 6,000 year old earth destroys all of science plus all of its methodologies. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given. Edited by Tangle, : Spelin'Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I accept most of science and you can't tell me I don't.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The Old Earth is not an interpretive scheme. It's an indisputable fact. No other "interpretation" works. You can't reject the conclusion without rejecting the entire process.
I don't reject Geology as such just as I don't reject Biology as such, they both do important work. What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.
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