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Message 121 of 123 (820435)
09-20-2017 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by ringo
09-20-2017 3:17 PM

Re: Faith (our beloved member) and Presuppositionalism
I disagree, sorry.
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Message 122 of 123 (820437)
09-20-2017 3:32 PM
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09-20-2017 3:30 PM

Re: Faith (our beloved member) and Presuppositionalism
Faith writes:

I disagree, sorry.

You can disagree until the cows come home. Your opinion is worthless.
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Message 123 of 123 (820443)
09-20-2017 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
09-19-2017 10:48 PM

More cognitive dissonance
I don't reject Geology as such just as I don't reject Biology as such, they both do important work. What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.

It's not an interpretive scheme (whatever that is), it's conclusions based on facts.

Facts like tree rings, lake varves, marine varves and ice core layers that demonstrate the factual evidence of an old earth, evidence that should not exist in a YECie world.

They also validate carbon-14 dating to 50,000 years ago, longer than any YECie timeline I am aware of. Without a magic flying carpet flood.

Facts like radioactive isotopes and fossils sorted by time into different layers of the geological record, sorting that is physically impossible for a magic flood to accomplish except by miraculous interventions.

Facts that validate an ancient age for the earth and confirm the accuracy of radiometric dating methods by several independent methods that all come to the same end result.

Facts like mutations adding diversity to breeding populations, and the process of evolution occurring in virtually every living population on earth. Without running out of variations as you blindly and falsely assert.

Science doesn't pick and choose it's evidence, it accepts all of it and then explains it with theories based on the evidence, and make predictions. When those predictions fail the theories are discarded or modified to accommodate the new information. When those predictions happen, the theory is used to make fresh predictions.

This isn't a matter of interpretation: the theories pass or fail based on the results of the predictions.

... What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.

What you do is reject the information that is at odds with your strongly held beliefs -- that's cognitive dissonance.

You make up stuff to comply with your strongly held beliefs, and when they get inevitably shot down as fantasy you get mad that people don't understand your point of view -- that too is cognitive dissonance.

... What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.

What you reject is reality.


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