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Message 147 of 606 (820234)
09-17-2017 10:34 PM
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09-17-2017 1:32 PM


Re: A study of the effect of different vegetables on cancer cells
He gives many caveats about his views not being intended as medical advice, and about consulting with your doctor before changing your diet.

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Message 149 of 606 (820284)
09-18-2017 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Granny Magda
09-18-2017 2:32 PM


Carrot juice
Well, I'm a big fan of carrot juice and I do believe the anecdotes about its curing some cancers. There are just too many such stories to ignore. It would be very nice if somebody did a controlled experiment with it of course and I hope somebody will get around to it.
I figured out that it takes about five pounds of carrots to get a quart of juice. He did two quarts a day -- thirty ten-pound bags a month! Yikes! That's a LOT of carrots. Gerson prescribes three quarts plus, but maybe only the 40 ounces that one woman reported is enough in many cases.

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Message 150 of 606 (820295)
09-18-2017 6:57 PM
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09-18-2017 2:49 PM


Re: Carrot juice - a couple of testimonials
Found a cancer survivor on Chris Wark's site who says she did only a quart a day on cancer in her lungs:
Ann Cameron Cured Her Stage 4 Cancer with Carrot Juice, Nothing Else
To reprise my progress:
Two weeks after starting the carrots, there was no improvement.

Eight weeks after starting the carrots, the tumors had stopped growing and were shrinking.

Four months after starting the carrots, all the lymph nodes in my lungs had returned to normal.
Eight months after starting, there was no sign of cancer anywhere in my body.

I believe that a newly diagnosed person like me, still in generally good health, could safely put off chemotherapy for eight weeks to see if five pounds of carrots daily, as juice, will halt the growth of cancer. If the carrots work, one might continue postponing chemo as long as the carrots continue to arrest the cancer and, one hopes, eventually eliminate it entirely. My latest CT scan (July 30, 2013) proves this has happened for me.
The carrot cure also worked for Ralph Cole’s squamous cell cancers. I think they probably will work against a wide range of cancers. The effective ingredient in the carrots is falcarinol, which has been proved effective against cancer in lab experiments with rats and mice done in Denmark and the UK. Using carrots or falcarinol, Dr. Kirsten Brandt and colleagues in the UK have retarded by a third the growth of tumors in lab rats injected with a carcinogen. They have fed the rats and mice what proportionately in humans would be a pound and a half of carrots. Drinking the juice from five pounds of carrots daily, as Ralph and I have done, is a human equivalent dose more than triple what Dr. Brandt gave the rats. I hope that many people and organizations will help fund her work, which so far has struggled to find strong financial backing.
She refers to another person whose story is also on the site:
Ralph Cole cured his cancer with carrot juice in 2006
He did three cups of juice for a while and then realized he needed to do more. Three wasn't getting rid of the cancers but five did. He writes:
It remains to be determined whether every cancer, or every individual’s metabolism, responds to carrot juice. But until actually researched, it remains a possibility. I have yet to meet a person that juiced carrots for cancer and was unhappy with the result. I know of three people, myself and two others, that juiced 5 pounds per day. Each of us had our tumors shrink. That’s not a lot to draw on. But if the hospital gave me a 30% chance of surviving 5 years or more evenwiththeir treatment, then that means they must be failing to cure 2 out of 3 of their patients with the symptoms I had. And both of the women I am talking about had much more advanced cancers than I had.
... hope you will investigate for yourself the curative power of carrot juice wherever and whenever the opportunity presents itself. And I should also mention that drinking carrot juice has many other health benefits, intestinal cleansing (it cured both my acne and pre-cancerous scales I used to get), and other sites on the net report that a carrot a day reduces the risk of cancer. One article claims that eating one carrot every day reduces the risk of cancer by 60%.
If you ever have an opportunity to observe the growth of a cancer in your own body either visually or through body scans, try carrot juice first; once you determine that it can control your cancer, you can experiment with other things to see if they work too, knowing that you can go back to carrot juice. This is the kind of research that is needed, and your experience will be of value to others.
If you doubt anything I have said, find someone with cancer and juice for them, and find out for yourself what happens. You can also get in touch with me. But regardless of whether you can reach me, or even what happens to me, you can trust in my experience with carrot juice as if it was your own.At the risk of sounding overly dramatic, I will consciously avoid the greater risk of being overly cautious, by stating what I believe in my soul to be true: millions of lives are at stake. I hope you will join me in making this cause your own.
I can be reached through my blog CancerIsOver.org
-Ralph
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Message 151 of 606 (820296)
09-18-2017 8:02 PM
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09-18-2017 6:57 PM


Re: Carrot juice - testimonials
It's sounding more and more like carrot juice alone is the most powerful remedy. Here's another testimonial.
Cancer Is Over
What did not work: The year prior to trying carrots I tried various other tactics to get rid ofthese tumors. I initiallytried water fasting. I did 5 days of water fasting at the beginning ofevery month, with a 9 day water fast one month.During the rest of the days I ate my normal organic foods. (Inspired by the studies done byValter Longo & immunesystem regeneration) Result: the tumors continued to grow.Then Ifollowed a strict low calorie Ketogenic organic diet with 2 days water fasting/week. (Inspired bythe work onthe Metabolic Theory of Cancer by Thomas Seyfried. Result: the tumors continuedto grow.Then I did a 38 day organic Juice Fast with mostly green vegetables. I followed that with an organic GAPS dietheavy with bone broth & soups/salads. Result: the tumors continued to grow.Then I went back to following my regular organic diet with 1/2 GALLONCARROT JUICE daily for 4 months.RESULT: MY TUMORS SHRUNK IN HALF!!!!
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Message 153 of 606 (820298)
09-18-2017 8:08 PM
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09-18-2017 8:05 PM


Did you actually READ any of the testimonials?

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Message 154 of 606 (820299)
09-18-2017 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by NoNukes
09-16-2017 3:21 PM


Re: Module 4 is also about diet
If you need a biblical standard for meats it should be noted that God rescinded the ancient dietary laws when the gospel went out to the Gentiles, which of course He wouldn't have done if it was about health. So obviously it wasn't.
Do you honestly not see the gaping hole in this argument?
I said I don't, and asked if you'd show it to me. I'm asking again. Thanks.

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Message 156 of 606 (820306)
09-19-2017 2:03 AM
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09-18-2017 10:23 PM


Re: Module 4 is also about diet
You said there is an obvious hole in it. Since I don't see a hole shouldn't you say what you meant? I'd really like to know. I think what I said makes sense but if it doesn't please explain.
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Message 157 of 606 (820307)
09-19-2017 2:34 AM
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09-18-2017 8:05 PM


There's enough here to show a need for some real research
The anecdotes I recently posted get into a fair amount of detail about what was tried, what worked and didn't work. There's always the possibility of faulty observation, something left out, something exaggerated, but I think these reports are particularly interesting because of the trial and error descriptions by people who started out knowing pretty much nothing about alternative treatments.
And of course I was particularly interested to see that not much worked except carrot juice, and even that didn't work until enough of it was used, though different amounts do seem to work for different people or different cancers or different circumstances. I regard these as a sort of research in themselves, and both Cameron and Cole who described their experiences want to see some real research done on this.
I would have expected some positive results from all the other dietary recommendations that were tried and was surprised that only carrot juice scored in the end.
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Message 166 of 606 (820458)
09-21-2017 3:09 AM


Supplements
Just for the one person who stumbles into EvC for ten minutes some day and happens to see it and be curious rather than outraged at the very thought that anybody would try alternative health treatments:
This is Chris Wark's 9th talk of his series of ten on nutritional and other treatments that might help with cancer. As with all of them it's only up for 24 hours, and this one started about six hours ago.
This one is on various supplements that are known to be good for your health and even cancer. Such as Aloe Vera, Amla powder, Moringa, Black seed oil, Colloidal Silver, Curcumin, various teas and so on. Many have been studied and he discusses the studies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1351&v=B4DyXl...
I'm just going to put up the reference for now but I'll try to come back later and write out some of his information if I can. My feeling is that if I ever feel I need special health boosters in huge doses for whatever reason, I'm going with carrot juice because I can't afford much else and sorting through all the possibilities is more than I'm up to.
But I'd love to see some really good research done on all these things. Some has been done here and there but it needs an independent agency to take it on and it needs heavy funding.
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Message 169 of 606 (820504)
09-21-2017 3:11 PM
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09-21-2017 2:55 PM


Re: Carrot juice
I'm not aware of studies of carrots, you are? What results are you aware of?

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Message 170 of 606 (820520)
09-22-2017 1:35 AM


Back to the Starch Diet Solution
Nutritional theories and regimens can be pretty frustrating because there are so many experts out there who don't all agree on various aspects of what constitutes a healthy diet. There does seem to be a general agreement these days that a vegan approach is better than others, emphasizing raw vegetables and fruits and cutting back severely on both meat and dairy. Not just in relation to cancer or any specific disease, but to promote general health.
This vegan trend certainly sharply contrasts with the ketogenic or Atkins-style weight loss diet with its severe reduction in carbohydrates and acceptance of animal proteins and fats. I found that diet to be almost miraculous in its ability to take off weight, especially since it allows so many popular foods that on other diets have always been prohibited, such as bacon.
But I've also found over time that I have carb cravings that I've given into, which when combined with the fats allowed on the Atkins-style regime have caused me to put on a lot of weight. This has been so discouraging I've just about given up on doing any kind of dieting any more. I've stopped caring. It's too hard, and I don't know how to go about it at this point since I know I'm going to be overcome by the carb cravings if I try to give them up again.
This hasn't stopped me from pursuing a general interest in health-promoting foods, which is what this thread is about, but even though what I'm learning has led me to make some changes in my eating habits it's not enough to take weight off and I'm still stuck. I don't eat sugar for instance except for the occasional small indulgence, and I still try to avoid the worst "simple" carbs, and I've gone back to juicing veggies though only from time to time. I've lost a small amount of weight over the last year but too small to be any kind of inspiration.
I've found the anti-cancer recommendations like Chris Wark's to be persuasive, though it hasn't done much to motivate me either. And then today in checking out some more of his presentations I ran across a couple of interviews he did with John McDougall, the M.D. I mentioned some time back who invented the Starch Diet Solution. As far as you can get from Atkins and other ketogenic diets. And he hates Atkins, he thinks it's dangerous for the people who follow it and dangerous for the planet. Sigh.
Now I'm trying to find out more about his diet because Wark seems to think it fits with his own views.
Makes me want to eat six pounds of crispy bacon and a quart of Haagen Dazs. Sigh.
OK, so I get it. Most standard diets around the world major in starches. "Bread is the staff of life" etc. And I have to admit that this always bothered me about the ketogenic elimination of such basic starches. Rice is the staff of life in Asia, corn in Mexico and so on. In Asia the rice is eaten with vegetables, while meat is a very small part of any meal. As McDougall describes it the more prosperous a nation grows the more the standard diet starts incorporating the luxury meats and fats of royalty and as a result even the poorest people are getting the "diseases of kings" such as gout for instance.
If he'd just say let's eat more starches and veggies and cut back on the meats I guess I'd see the wisdom in that. But of course like all experts he has to go on and demonize some foods. He demonizes oils for instance, and the reason he gives is that they are separated from their source food. For the same reason he opposes carrot juice, thinks we need the fiber.
My answer to the carrot juice complaint is that it should be regarded more as a medicine to correct conditions brought about by poor diets. You can only eat so many carrots but you can consume enormous amounts of carrot juice, and it's those enormous amounts that have the beneficial effects on health problems and even cancers.
As for oil here's where I remember the foods described in the Bible and oil is treated there pretty much as a staple. There is nothing wrong with oil as such though there are probably some bad oils that are overprocessed that we could do without today.
Also when I looked into McDougall's recipes I found they are way too complicated for me: something like six or seven different grains are combined and cooked together for breakfast.
I'm sure I'll be learning more about his thinking as well as Chris Wark's and maybe other vegan protocols, and who knows, maybe if I ever arrive at a diet I think I can live with his views may contribute to it.
For now I'm an armchair nutrition student.
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Message 173 of 606 (820540)
09-22-2017 12:41 PM
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09-22-2017 12:04 PM


Re: Carrot juice
Thanks. Positive results for carrots. But it doesn't sound like anywhere near the amount of carrot juice people are consuming as part of their alternative cancer therapy was tested.
(I sometimes accidentally type a square bracket somewhere in a message and if I don't catch it everything after that bracket won't show up in the message. Could be you did that and lost what you'd written?)
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Message 174 of 606 (820770)
09-27-2017 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
09-22-2017 1:35 AM


Re: Back to the Starch Diet Solution
Wow, I think I'm gravitating to this starch-based diet, John McDougall's Starch Solution. When I first heard of it I thought Oh no not another totally off the wall diet that contradicts all the other diets . It couldn't be more contrary to the Atkins ketogenic style diets I had come to believe were the only way to lose weight, and healthiest too -- despite all the scare talk tests do show that bad lipids are lowered, people do lose weight etc.
The only reason I'm reconsidering it is that I personally can't do it any more, I can't give up carbs. So I pretty much gave up on ever being able to lose weight again.
And at first I figured I'd have the same problem with the McDougall Starch Solution diet, because you always have to give up something and in this case that something is fats and meats. I think I can give up meat, at least eat a lot less of it without missing it, but could I really give up fats? Even supposedly good oils like olive oil? It just sounds wrong. Oils are NOT an unnatural food, which McDougall seems to be saying, and the way I decide that these days is by asking what people ate in Old Testament time, and oil is treated as a staple there.
However, I've been coming to the conclusion that you can't eat BOTH fats and carbs unless you eat them in very strict moderation. Atkins made it clear fats are not a problem if you are restricting carbs, and I can only assume at this point that McDougall can recommend such a high carb diet as healthy and good for weight loss because it restricts fats. It seems to be one or the other.
So here I am considering doing this diet. And the reason is that I could really LIKE it. I could like eating potatoes for the biggest portion on my plate. I have to remember that I liked Atkins because bacon and eggs with no carbs appealed to me that much back then. So what's really different now? Maybe just the chance to indulge the carb cravings Atkins left me with. In which case this diet will fail too in the end. But I'm truly incapable of doing anything else right now. I can't do Atkins and I can't seem to cut down enough on the overall food I eat to make a difference either. It's not that I'm eating some huge amount of calories, but it's too much anyway, so to lose by reducing calories would leave me hungry.
Now here's McDougall telling me my meals should be 70 to 90 percent starch, and he isn't requiring me to eat starches I'm not particularly fond of, he says you can choose whatever starches you want. I can choose my all-time favorite food, potatoes. At first I thought I couldn't learn to eat potatoes without butter or other fat, but the more I read, and experiment too, I'm coming to the conclusion that I could after all. If I have to give up fats, the only thing I could give them up FOR is potatoes, but I'm discovering that fats aren't as necessary as I'd thought: there are lots of ways to flavor potatoes that are just as attractive.
I also want to up the carrot juice. McDougall doesn't approve of juicing, as with oils he thinks you should have only whole foods, but I've become convinced that carrot juice is a healer of all kinds of things and I know I have some kind of liver and stomach problems, so I'm going to add the carrot juice to the basically vegan starch-based diet and see what happens.
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Message 176 of 606 (820785)
09-27-2017 12:46 PM
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09-27-2017 9:43 AM


Re: Back to the Starch Diet Solution
Phat, I really wish you would not quote my blogs here. I don't want to have to debate them on top of what I write here. Please.
If you can't stick to the ketogenic diet after giving it a good try or few more tries take a look at McDougall's arguments for a starch-based diet. He does claim it works for diabetes too. I know it sounds weird after what we've been told for so long and I'm sure there are some glitches in his thinking too, there always are in any system, but the more I've pondered it the more I like it. Of course until I stick to it for a while I won't be able to judge it properly.

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Message 177 of 606 (821244)
10-04-2017 12:48 PM


Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
There's going to be a three-day conference on alternative methods of healing cancer online starting tomorrow. It's free but if a few of you sign up I can maybe get a reward for snaring you into it.
Even if you hate this stuff you can sign up and jeer or gather ammunition against them.
Here's the link:
The Truth About Cancer Conference
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