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Tangle
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Message 376 of 381 (820666)
09-25-2017 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Faith
09-25-2017 6:00 AM


Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Faith writes:

Nobody ever asked me that either when I was an atheist. Were you perhaps in a Southern state, somewhere in the "Bible belt."?

Colarado


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 377 of 381 (820677)
09-25-2017 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 376 by Tangle
09-25-2017 6:27 AM


Claim Check
Colorado

Thats where I live, tangle!


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
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Tangle
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Message 378 of 381 (820680)
09-25-2017 10:01 AM
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09-25-2017 9:28 AM


Re: Claim Check
It was probably you then.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 379 of 381 (820689)
09-25-2017 11:40 AM
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09-24-2017 3:49 PM


Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Phat writes:

Believers by and large want an authority in their lives and/or believe that they need one. Unbelievers seem to by and large think that autonomy is life's greatest gift.


Unbelievers just don't believe there is a "higher authority". Some of them may wish there was.
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Message 380 of 381 (820697)
09-25-2017 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by Phat
09-24-2017 3:49 PM


Nail that Jello!
Phat writes:

I have noticed a pattern--in general--between believers and nonbelievers. Believers by and large want an authority in their lives and/or believe that they need one. Unbelievers seem to by and large think that autonomy is life's greatest gift.

I think that "by and large" you're seeing what you want to see as opposed to what's actually there.

Take something simple like "chocolate vs. vanilla."

How easy do you think it is to split 100 people into those 2 camps?
Would you be surprised to see that most people in either camp will still eat the other flavor?
Out of those who eat both would you be surprised to see that some really like one over the other, while others only slightly like one over the other.
Check the same people again 2 weeks later. Would you be surprised to see that some people now pick the other flavor?

People are different.
On top of that, people change... they are not static.

If it's so messed up with something as simple as chocolate and vanilla... don't you think it would be even more difficult with something more complex like Believers vs. Unbelievers?

Believers by and large want an authority in their lives and/or believe that they need one. Unbelievers seem to by and large think that autonomy is life's greatest gift.

Many unbelievers want an authority in their lives and/or believe that they need one. They just don't see "God" as that authority.
Many believers think that autonomy is life's greatest gift... as long as they are autonomously "following God's ideas."
Many will show the facet of one over the other in this situation, but then show the opposite in another situation, because adapting is one of our greatest skills as humans.

It is easy to make a classification.
Just don't be surprised when someone you think is "already classified" goes ahead and does something different from what you pegged them for.


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Message 381 of 381 (820727)
09-25-2017 4:23 PM


Back towards the topic of Claims of God Being Omnipotent in the Bible
One of the strengths of the Bible is that it is filled with inconsistencies and out right contradictions. God is portrayed as Just and as Unjust, Omnipotent and Limited, Sure and Unsure, All Knowing and Uncertain, Competent and Incompetent, Godly and Human, Perfect and Flawed.

The various authors that wrote the stories created the God of their milieu, their ethos, their mythos, their society, their era, their tribe. The God hey create is unique to the plot of the story they are telling. It is NOT a book or even an anthology but rather an anthology of anthologies.

The stories that are collected into the different Bible Canons reflect the variety and evolution of the Gods over time and behave as characters in a limited narrative. The God of Genesis 1 is not the God of Genesis 2&3. When people try to pretend that the Bible is a single narrative or reflects a single belief system totally miss one of the most important lessons to be learned; the fact that both Judaism and Christianity are examples of evolving systems reflecting and intrinsic to the period and customs of the authors.


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