YECism: sect or cult?

Yeah but that's really a fantasy of your own. It may be predominantly the case at least for all those who were actively raised in a culture's religion, but there are those in every culture who end up accepting the religion of another culture. People tell me -- I love how some people are willing to tell other people what's REALLY going on in their heads against everything they say about it themselves, never have to face an unwelcome fact that way -- so, people tell me that I'm a Christian because I was raised in a Christian culture, was even sent to church as a child, utterly discounting thirty years of my life as a professed atheist and the fact that when I did become a Christian in the end I started out believing that all religions worship the same God, expected at first to embrace one of the Eastern religions, then Catholicism, then read my way to Protestantism. Just because I ended up a Protestant is all the evidence needed that I simply ended up embracing my childhood religion.So, how do you explain two friends of mine who were both raised Protestant and ended up serious Buddhists, one a priestess? All those at EvC for that matter who say they were raised Christian and have given it up. Somehow none of that counts for some reason.Also, Christian missionaries DO succeed in converting people of other cultures to Christ, it's happened all over the world. Their societies "never came across" the gospel of Christ until the first missionaries showed up. Often it took a long time for them to succeed, but eventually some did come to believe and churches were started. The Church in China was begun by Hudson Taylor and there are now millions of Christians in China even under persecution by the Communists. Millions, yes millions. South Korea is known for the biggest church on the planet IIRC. Christians in India are persecuted by both the Hindus and the Muslims and yet the gospel continues to be preached there.The West is losing its Christian foundations but other parts of the world are embracing the gospel of Christ. Probably evidence that Christianity thrives under persecution and gets watered down and irrelevant where it is taken for granted. Under no influence whatever? Just arrived at that opinion on your own? I too gave it up as a teenager under the influence of atheist friends and the idea that religion is something for children, but I did feel a pang of loss. You didn't? Nevertheless I didn't look back, I went on as a "grown up" for the next thirty years. Well, God isn't stopping you from changing your mind you know. It's still your choice in the end.But isn't it rather odd that someone who claims none of it is true spends so much time complaining about people who think it is true? Shouldn't you just quietly pity us? I mean you put a lot of emotion into your objection. Maybe you have to completely defeat us in order to be as sure as you want to be that none of it is true?And you know what else is odd? Nobody spends much time if any complaining about Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religion on earth but Christianity. Don't you find that odd? Surely they are just as irrational by your lights, and surely they influence the people around them to their irrational beliefs. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There is nothing religious about YEC, it's all based on the parts of the Bible that are historical, there is no religion there, just history and the facts described include information about the physical world that can be used in scientific thinking. Where is the religion in any of that? There is none.

Of course the creation of the universe was a miraculous event but what was created follows natural laws. None of it's myth anyway, it's all factually true history.

It isn't religious myth, it's factual history.As for whether science would have come up with the young earth I don't know, but since human intellect is fallen there's no reason why it should. God gave us the Bible because without it we are groping in the dark about all kinds of things. I haven't contorted anything in this discussion. The evidence is there for the young earth in everything I've said, as well as evidence that the Geological Time Scale is utterly false.

YEC is based on the parts of the Bible that are factually historical even though there are lots of unbelievers who refuse to accept that fact. We know it's factual, we know the Flood actually occurred in history, and that's because we know God inspired the Bible. Unbelievers can carry on all they like, we know it's the truth and it's the basis for the scientific thinking of YEC.YEC is based on standard orthodox Protestant theology, there is nothing cultish about it, it's simple Christianity.There's no point in bickering about these things. We aren't giving in and you aren't giving in. The Bible is our foundation, it's the truth, the parts YEC is based on are factual history, and we aren't giving it up no matter how much silly debunkery you throw at it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't follow any creationist ministry.

No of course not. The argument I'm calling deceitful is a deceitful argument. I don't even know what that could possibly mean. Even believers can be deceived by their own fallen minds.