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LamarkNewAge
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Message 27 of 113 (820812)
09-27-2017 5:20 PM


Obama had 60 votes and could have made D.C. and Puerto Rico states.
He choose not to.
I still remember the 2010 Democratic primary in Pennsylvania where Arlen Specter (rip) and Joe Sestak were arguing over who would fight harder to support Washington D.C. statehood.
Specter was the 60th Democratic vote and a filibuster could have been broken.
Puerto Ricans just voted like 97%-3% for statehood (the opposition boycotted because they knew they would loose) though turnout was only 23%.
There are lost of prominent Democrats in New York that are nationalists. I was shocked and disgusted to find out (during the Oscar Lopez Rivera parade commotion) that the City Council Speaker was a supporter of Puerto Rican independence. Nydia Velazquez has been a long serving U.S. congresswomen and she is a disgusting nationalist too. She called the vote (from months ago) a fraudulent vote since turnout was only 23%. She said it was a sham vote that in no way represents the will of the Puerto Rican people.
Actually the Governor of Puerto Rico said that these mainland nationalist politicians (including the prominent Democrats mentioned above) are the ones out of touch and insisted that they could never be elected to the city council in Puerto Rico itself.
The Democratic party has a nationalistic mindset so we never laid the groundwork for a binding Puerto Rican statehood vote to take place.
The Republicans are a mountain of excuses (the massive Puerto Rican debt is their biggest excuse for not allowing a binding vote among Puerto Ricans) so don't expect much from them.
Democrats could have achieved so much during the super majority 2009-2011 congress.
Democrats might take the Senate in 2020 or 2022 but any time (which will only be during a national Democratic tidal wave) they take thee House, it will be very brief. Puerto Rican and Washington D.C statehood would have given them 4 more Senators and at least 5 more congressmen, so the Senate would have structurally been at least close to 50-50 (right now the Republicans have a slight structural edge in the upper chamber), and the House would have been at least somewhat less strongly GOP (and possibly almost down to a very slight GOP structural edge if there is ever fair nationwide redistricting).

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Message 33 of 113 (820889)
09-28-2017 3:40 PM
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09-28-2017 5:05 AM


Re: Obama had 60 votes and could have made D.C. and Puerto Rico states.
quote:
No, Obama did not choose to do make DC a state. DC is constitutionally barred from becoming a state. The constitution had to be amended just to give DC residents the right to vote. The president has no role in passing a constitutional amendment, other than asking for it.
Did you look into the facts before posting?
It is in no way certain that the Supreme Court would not allow Washington D.C. statehood.
Kenneth Star says that it should be a state according to the constitution (though laws might be required to make the process enable the constitution to flicker).
There are lots of arguments for it being constitutional, and it is based on many things stated in the past.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 34 of 113 (820892)
09-28-2017 3:54 PM
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09-28-2017 3:24 AM


Re: Obama had 60 votes and could have made D.C. and Puerto Rico states.
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You need to rethink your title, there, LamarkNewAge.
It's a common complaint that "The Democrats had 60 votes!"
Really?
The fact that we have nationalists in congress dictated the (non) direction we went in.
Some well placed moles can really stop something from even being whispered about.
This should have been a front burner issue.
And the GOP Congress has been stated to be the main decider on this issue.(take it from somebody who gets to read a ton of New York newspapers for free whenever I am back home - a friend on the dock even gives me the L A Times and Washington Post for free, I even had that June 21 single payer article that made a lot of news)
I read enough on this issue (though I forget a lot and never knew enough) to know that the congress is the decision making body.
The nationalistic moles have created a lot of trouble. Melissa Mark Viverito presents herself as very pro immigrant, so why the heck is she for closing borders (which independence would do)?
Nydia Velazquez was so quick to dismiss the vote.
Puerto Rico votes in favor of statehood
Puerto Rican Citizens Vote In Favor Of U.S. Statehood – VIBE.com
Why?
Perhaps her whole purpose in getting elected in this ultra Democratic district (where a Democrat would always win anyway) is to be a nationalistic mole?
Don't say I'm a "conspiracy theorist".
RAZD already advocated the reverse in GOP primaries.
(though RAZD didn't suggest secrecy and fakery, quite the contrary)

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Message 102 of 113 (822126)
10-19-2017 4:51 PM


2002 might count? Thinking of a few governors races.
In Tennessee, the 2 term Republican incumbent , who supported the Tennessee Medicaid expansion, was defeated when a conservative Democrat got the support of right wing Republicans. Out with TennesseeCare or whatever the (now dead)health care program was called.
The old Smokey Mountain Republican was defeated by an old Democrat.
Fred Thompson ran in 1994 as a pro choice, pro gun control Republican (and won a landslide), but by the time he ran for president in 2008, he was a born again right winger.
Bob Riley won in Alabama and attempted to raise taxes to fund education.
In 2014, a Republican ran against Jerry Brown in California, and might have been more liberal (he seemed to be on homeless issues). He got killed.
In 1988, Joe Liebermann won against a liberal Republican incumbent, when right wingers made it a major thing to rid themselves of Lowell Weiker
Lincoln Chafee, in 2000, beat a conservative Democrat for a Senate seat. But lost in 2006.
Weicker lost in 1988 but ran for governor as an indi.
Chafee ran for governor in 2010 and won.
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