|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
Author | Topic: Gun Control Again | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I disagree with the notoriety angle. I think it was more of a premeditated response to depression triggered by a losing streak.
Here is my synopsis: He was a compulsive gambler. Politically, he was likely a conservative. He had genetic mental health issues, but these normally would not have been the predisposing factor. The factor was, as Percy suggested, that he was a compulsive/obsessive OCD brain damaged individual. We don't know what exactly he was angry at or whom, but it appears to be non-political...despite the forensic claim that the media needs to be more sensitive to gun owners. I agree totally that he had lost much of his money and felt that he was failing (losing) at life. The attack was premeditated, and the fact that it was set up at a casino seems to suggest that he was mad at having his luck run out and his money(dreams) taken from him. So he lashed out in a depersonalized way. The target in my mind was Las Vegas itself.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
Don't you know that anything left of extreme right is leftist?
Of course, the leftist ideology is in control of much of the media... The media is controlled by the media corporations and all they care about is profit/bottom line and not upsetting the applecart. That's why you don't see left wing extremist protests except as disruption of the status quo, nor do you see right wing extremist protests except as disruption of the status quo. They are doing fine, no change needed thank you. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
|
Personally I think we need to wait for the experts and law enforcement to come up with the evidence or reasoning for his actions. Armchair psychology does no one any use.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
NoNukes Inactive Member |
NoNukes writes: Everything has bad effects. There must be at least some kind of weighing. Who said otherwise? So far, your posts have shown complete disdain for a number of folks who have made that exact point. Just to be absolutely clear, the reason we want to get input from doctors on medical practices is exactly for that reason. We should do that even if it is the doctors we are regulating. The same principle does not require that we consult murderers on how to punish them. We could instead consult psychologists or the police. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
However, it seems that he spent a year accumulating equipment for the attack - or attacks - since he had explosives and the police say that he intended to escape.
He also used his girlfriend's ID even though he had got her out of the country. There is certainly a degree of premeditation here, and still nothing pointing to an attempt to advance a cause (not even the abolition of Country music)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
|
Is this saying that the number of guns does make a difference? More guns = more homicide, regardless of rate-of-acquisition? No - the point is that distribution matters. As an extreme example let's consider the difference between 1 person owning 300 million guns and 300 million people each owning 1 gun. The argument goes that the latter is going to result in more deaths by shooting than the former. One person can't exactly wield even a significant percentage of those guns at once. So, if gun ownership went from say, 22% of the population to 25% we might see a rise in deaths. If it went from 22% to 20% we'd see a fall. The absolute number of guns, the argument goes, is less important than the number of people that have them. As it stands, about 50% of the guns in the US are owned by 3% of the population.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
In the real world, why do you think silencers are banned? Do you think our legislators are out to ruin the hearing of hunters? In the real world - they mostly aren't banned. They are only banned in 8 States of the USA. California is one of them. I assume local politics is the reason, but I haven't taken the time to track down the arguments made in the legislature when the bills were being passed.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
NoNukes Inactive Member |
I assume local politics is the reason, but I haven't taken the time to track down the arguments made in the legislature when the bills were being passed. The Democrats in the US tend to cite law situations where enforcement cannot effectively find and track a shooting criminals because of the suppressor which lowers noise levels and the muzzle flash. Secondary arguments are that the suppressors are just one more gimmick to help gun manufacturers sell military weapons to the public. In other places, the primary objection seems to be that they are the tools of poachers. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The Democrats in the US tend to cite law situations where enforcement cannot effectively find and track a shooting criminals because of the suppressor which lowers noise levels and the muzzle flash. Secondary arguments are that the suppressors are just one more gimmick to help gun manufacturers sell military weapons to the public. In other places, the primary objection seems to be that they are the tools of poachers. I would love to be able to legally use a suppressor at the range - but I don't because its illegal. If you're poaching, then breaking another law may not bother you, I dunno. But I recalled an anecdote when I read your post: I friend of mine from Texas had problems with wild hogs on his property. He was telling me about how suppressors were legal and they needed them to get rid of the hogs - they come in packs and it helps to get more than just one of them when they don't scatter as bad because the noise of the gunshots is a little quieter. I can see how it'd help with hunting. There's legitimate uses for suppressors and I think it sucks that I can't have one.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
|
If you're poaching, then breaking another law may not bother you, I dunno.
That is just a plain silly argument. You are saying why have laws, people will just break them. This argument actually undermines your stance.
quote: I friend of mine from Texas had problems with wild hogs on his property. He was telling me about how suppressors were legal and they needed them to get rid of the hogs - they come in packs and it helps to get more than just one of them when they don't scatter as bad because the noise of the gunshots is a little quieter.
That is not hunting. That is pest control. I can see how it'd help with hunting. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
That is just a plain silly argument. You are saying why have laws, people will just break them. You misunderstood. That was in response to the statement of them being tools of poachers. I get why that's the case and I'm not saying why have laws.
That is not hunting. That is pest control. Sure, there's an unstated "also" in front of that last sentence. It is a separate statement not to imply that pest control is defined as hunting.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
|
NoNukes writes:
That's a distinction without a difference. We do "consult" the murderers indirectly via the psychologists and the police. Gun owners should be "consulted" the same way, via psychologists and the police.
The same principle does not require that we consult murderers on how to punish them. We could instead consult psychologists or the police.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
The pertinent question is: Do firearms users in the other states routinely use them for hearing protection?
They are only banned in 8 States of the USA.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
First, the predictable comment.
quote: The Lincoln Journal Star editorial actually seemed to be in touch with the fact that it is(or was) the GOP that always brings up the mental health issue as the reason for gun violence while Democrats bring up the gun issue itself. The Star seemed to forget that things have changed, and now Democrats have jumped on that slander wagon. I don't have the quotes but the paragraph that started the GOP viewpoint didn't mention that Democrats have bought the subscription. Now my academic reference was spotted when I read the part of the introduction to Mario Scalora.
quote: Glad I found that one. It sounds right to me. At least there isn't slanderous discrimination involved. (with lots of negative consequences) Eugene Robinson seems to want discrimination though.
quote: Gun Control at any cost is bad gun control. I used to like the idea of bipartisanship until I saw that it brings us the worst possible compromise. (However, I actually like the fact that Democrats have given the GOP many tens of billions in military spending increases in return for upping the NIH funding a few billion a year higher. The NIH is up to $36 billion in federal support now, so that is cool. It used to get cut or held frozen year after year)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
The pertinent question is: Do firearms users in the other states routinely use them for hearing protection? Yes. They are used to avoid damaging the ears, to avoid noise pollution complaints when hunting or recreational shooting and to reduce recoil as primary purposes.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024