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Author Topic:   Decline And Fall Of The American Empire
ringo
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Message 159 of 170 (821575)
10-09-2017 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by New Cat's Eye
10-08-2017 9:01 PM


Re: Competition
New Cat's Eye writes:
Not all value comes from labor.
You keep saying that. But risk in itself doesn't produce value. There's no value added until somebody pays you for your risk - and he pays you with the fruits of his labour. As for the "work" done by machines, it's for the benefit of humans, isn't it? And humans pay for it with their "labour", don't they?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 161 of 170 (821664)
10-10-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by New Cat's Eye
10-09-2017 4:06 PM


Re: Competition
New Cat's Eye writes:
I don't know what you're going on about and I've lost interest - it's like pulling teeth trying to get you to make some sense.
What I've done is point out the flaws in your examples.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 163 of 170 (821674)
10-10-2017 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Phat
10-10-2017 12:21 PM


Re: Steering Back On Topic
Phat writes:
Why not get back on topic and point out the flaws in the American Empire so that we can correct them before we implode and destroy my retirement!
No empire lasts forever. I don't think the American Empire can be saved. On the bright side, it will probably last longer than you do.
I'm 65 and can't afford to retire, so I'm not too worried about your retirement.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 165 of 170 (821680)
10-10-2017 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Phat
10-10-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Steering Back On Topic
Phat writes:
Perhaps I need to pray for the strength to tolerate being broke as you are, and the strength to work until I drop.
The only advice I give young people is to enjoy life as they go along - don't wait for retirement. I've worked with too many people who spent their whole lives in jobs they hated, just trying to "get ahead".
My brother died at 56 with a "net worth" of about $700. I'd rather die with my boots on too.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 168 of 170 (821725)
10-11-2017 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Phat
10-10-2017 2:29 PM


Re: Steering Back On Topic
Phat writes:
What about America, though? Whether we all built the ark ourselves or not, it has a large hole and is sinking fast.
You have several choices. You can argue about who made the hole as you watch the boat sink. Or you can get out before it sinks. Or, as a last resort, you could even try to fix the hole.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 170 of 170 (821788)
10-12-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Phat
10-11-2017 9:35 PM


Re: Steering Back On Topic
Phat writes:
Hopefully, there will be a solution to fixing the hole, but nobody in 3rd class has any money.
What I've been saying all along is that the solution is to get more money to the people in 3rd class.
Some of the strongest proponents of capitalism are people who have no capital and who are, in fact, also the victims of capitalism.

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