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But I am not happy to see you try and pretend that the people happily and knowingly marching with Nazis - on a rally intended to promote alliance between Right Wing groups - are anything less than willing to ally with Nazis, even if not actual Nazis themselves.Even if you were talking about the Ku Klux Klan rally in July that was all about the statue it would be bad enough, since the KKK organised the rally and everyone knew it.

Then you are not talking about Charlottesville. Indeed, even the ten to one phrase you objected to involved people happy to hang out with a Nazi.

It looks like just more of the same and I expect it to be every bit as successful as past attempts.

Four ways Bob Corker skewered Donald TrumpCertainly that's true, he was doing it in the campaign, and before If this is what Trump is like when he's "contained" imagine how bad it would be if he was just allowed to have his own way all the time.

Of course there is a reason. It will be announced soon and Trump is sure that it won’t be him. So he has to try to pretend that he turned it down. It’s exactly the sort of thing he would do.

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The Polish government is busy abolishing the independence of the judiciary at the moment; a process in which the White House has shown no interest, and which I think is getting less coverage internationally than it would if the news wasn't so busy with Trump's Twitter.

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The Republican Congress is busy appointing judges whose main qualification for the job is their political leanings. Why would the Trump administration object to another state bringing the courts under government control ? They’re more upset about their own courts not being under government control

Wasn’t a member of the commission suing to get access to the proceedings because he had been completely frozen out ? That’s a pretty good sign that the whole thing was fraudulent.

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Trump's current stance is to deny having made the comments while blaming Democrats for killing off DACA. However, his denials come after a weekend of folks making defenses of those same remarks. I don't see how you can have it both ways.

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They have always been at war with Eastasia.

NoNukes I think you are going even further into dubious technicalities than NCE.If someone heard Trump say something then they are a witness to Trump saying that thing and classifying it as hearsay really implies that they aren’tYou could argue - and I presume this is what NCE is arguing - that the fact that we get our information from the news media rather than direct from the witnesses themselves makes it hearsay. But it seems he was prepared to rely on such hearsay in arguing that Trump didn’t say it. And really when we have on-the-record statements from the witnesses - who are public figures well able to correct misrepresentations - it seems very nit picky to call it hearsay at all.

NCE was not so careful as you think.He stated: Which is every bit as much hearsay (and less than honest since we have testimony that he did say that from a person at the meeting

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Now, the people in the meeting are saying that he didn't say that.

I disagree. I think any of us in discussing what happened have to acknowledge that there were folks who were in the room who don't back up Durbin and Graham. That is the honest thing to do.

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You did notice that you quoted NCE and not anything I said ? You do realise that I was making the point that NCE was not admitting that anyone who was in the room did say that Trump said that ?And you don’t address the primary point. That NCE was happy to use reports that he would have to count as hearsay if he was being consistent.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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That was my intention.

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Well it didn’t make any sense.

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If his point was that Trump did not say something as opposed to his point being that we were relying on hearsay, then I would agree with you. Instead, NCE pointed out that there was a lot of crap flying around.

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That’s an assumption. Indeed the use of the people in the room implies to me that he saw it as a killer argument that Trump didn’t say it.Indeed he went on to say So no. NCE was trying to deny that there was witness evidence. The hearsay claim is just more of the same.

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Actually, you are making the assumption. NCE never said that Trump did not say it. You are reading that into his statements

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I never said that NCE made that claim. However it is a fact that NCE claimed that the witnesses claimed that Trump did not say it. Even though we know that is a misrepresentation of the facts.The fact remains that NCE has attempted to misrepresent the evidence to make it look as if Trump did not say it. Even the hearsay comment was an attempt at that.

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Some witnesses did make that claim. NCE said that his sources said that. I am not prepared to say he was lying about that.

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If NCE had stuck to simply claiming that some - not the - people in the room had said that I wouldn’t be complaining.The whole point is that NCE was trying to deny there was witness evidence that Trump had said that.

Pretty amazing story - so amazing I can’t bring myself to entirely trust it. Ars TechnicaAccording to the story, the Dutch Security services broke into the Russian hacker’s systems and even the video cameras watching them work. Known Russian intelligence agents were observed in the building. The observations included attacks on the U.S. State Department and the Democratic National Congress.And this is why the U.S. intelligence services are convinced that the Russians hacked the DNC.