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NoNukes
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Message 1337 of 4573 (821790)
10-12-2017 3:19 PM


Court curtails a Justice Department attack on 1st and 4th amendments
In response to the inaugural day protests, the Justice Department has sought to find the names of people involved in protests. There was violence at the protests, but the overwhelming number of the protestors were non-violent citizens engaged in nothing more extreme than speaking their displeasure in a loud voice.
Under the cover of looking for criminals, the Justice Department sought and was granted, a warrant for the records from web hosting company DreamHost of all visitors to its customer's website, DisruptJ20.org. If you visited that website your name would end up in records held by the government regardless of whether you were involved in any criminal activities.
In short, the government was seeking a list of "folks displeased enough with Trump to click on a link". Once the details of the list became public, and the government originally tried to force DreamHost to be silent about the warrant, the government insisted that the scope of the warrant had been misstated, but then agreed to modify their request.
Justice Department statement in August.
quote:
"The change in scope was made "in light of factual revelations since July"
In its brief, the Justice Department says it simply didn't realize the depth of the information that DreamHost has, which includes" visitor data maintained by DreamHost that extends beyond the government's singular locus in this case of investigating the planning, organization, and participation in the January 20, 2017 riot."
Yesterday, D.C. Superior Court Judge Robert Morin ruled that the government could not have the list they "accidentally requested".
quote:
[W]hile the government has the right to execute its Warrant," D.C. Superior Court Judge Robert Morin wrote in his order, "it does not have the right to rummage through the information contained on DreamHost's website and discover the identity of, or access communications by, individuals not participating in alleged criminal activity, particularly those persons who were engaging in protected First Amendment activities.
One thing this shows is that what president gets to pick federal judges does matter. Some dumbass (jack-booted thug?) actually granted the original warrant. Secondly, it is a further illustration of what we can expect from Session's Justice Department when loyalty to the president is more important than the rule of law (unless of course, your own neck is on the line)
Thanks again to all of you folks who sent a message with your vote this past election.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

  
NoNukes
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Message 1341 of 4573 (821804)
10-12-2017 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1340 by Minnemooseus
10-12-2017 6:36 PM


Re: Quality vs popularity
I think there is a confusion between "quality" and "popularity". By the Stile reasoning, Trump was "good enough" to win the election, which certainly should not be confused with Trump being quality.
How about an alternate line of reasoning? Given the electoral climate that would give an obvious loser like Trump the chance to beat 15 other Republicans in the primary and to be a viable election candidate, together with the way the electoral college works, the Democratic candidate needed to be something pretty effing special to win. Maybe Hilary did not have what it takes.
I cannot quite agree with that. I think some of those last Comey shenanigans likely cost Clinton some support that could have pushed her over the top. I am aware that such statements are far from objective.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1349 of 4573 (821889)
10-14-2017 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by herebedragons
01-20-2017 9:40 AM


Re: The First Day of the Next Four Years
herebedragons writes:
that he will want to be less involved in troubles throughout the world - particularly with Russian aggression, North Korea's nuclear threat, and Iran's nuclear deal. I fear he will take a more hands off approach to these problems - which may very well lead to conflict, just that we may not be as involved.
This was a fear expressed early in Trump's administration. I think we can agree that Trump is not taking a hands-off approach. What he has done seems mostly worse than that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1351 of 4573 (821893)
10-14-2017 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1350 by RAZD
10-14-2017 11:41 AM


Re: Democrats need to stop blaming others for their loss.
1. She didn't appeal enough to voters in key states to win their electoral votes.
Let's break this down a bit further. Hillary was unable to persuade folks who even now cannot articulate reasons why she was not worthy of their votes. The idea that voters are not responsible for their votes, or for doing their homework before voting is not a position I find acceptable. A good number of Trump can be criticized for their votes as can a number of others.
Yes, you are free to vote however you want. Now own the consequences.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1356 of 4573 (821904)
10-14-2017 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1353 by RAZD
10-14-2017 1:25 PM


Re: Democrats need to stop blaming others for their loss.
But I don't think the numbers of people who regret their vote is large: if nothing else they will rationalize it to resolve cognitive dissonance.
You've got that right.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1485 of 4573 (822627)
10-30-2017 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1483 by Tanypteryx
10-30-2017 11:25 AM


Re: First indictments from Mueller investigation
quote:
Trump’s administration and congressional allies have engaged in a furious effort over the past week to change the subject to alleged Democratic misdeeds.
The absolute surest sign that something that the heat is on; panicking deflecting using Obama and Hillary.
George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
The Trump administration is characterizing Papadopoulos as a "volunteer". If I were George, I would read that as "No pardon coming! Save yourself!" But there is some reporting from the Washington Post and others, that other, more connected folks in the Trump campaign were not onboard with Papadopoulos efforts to make Russian contacts. While that would seem to be a point in Trump's favor, one would have to ask why the information about George going rogue was not offered up by the Trump administration.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1490 of 4573 (823244)
11-08-2017 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1489 by Percy
11-06-2017 3:40 PM


Each letter is distinctive, but all are plaintive, anguished, deeply engaged and urgent. They all have in common a feeling of distress that the country has taken a sudden and caustic turn, that we have a president who seems to take pleasure in dividing us.
And a huge section of the country is absolutely okay with that. The Republican support for this buffoon is in the mid to high 80s in every single poll. We will soon get to see if Trump has long or short coattails. His influence did not have the desired effect in either Virginia or in the Senate race in Alabama.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1492 of 4573 (824228)
11-25-2017 1:50 AM


Trump again lying for no particular reason?
Trump claims that he told turned down an offer from Time Magazine to be the man of the year:
quote:
President Donald Trump tweeted Friday that he turned down a potential offer to be TIME Magazine's coveted "Person of the Year" after, Trump says, the magazine told him he would "probably" be given the honors.
Of course, the magazine denies any such offer:
quote:
The magazine issued a statement disputing the President's account.
"The President is incorrect about how we choose Person of the Year. TIME does not comment on our choice until publication, which is December 6," a spokeswoman told CNN.
quote:
Time Inc.'s chief content officer, Alan Murray, later said the President's tweet didn't have "a speck of truth."
"Amazing. Not a speck of truth hereTrump tweets he 'took a pass' at being named TIME's person of the year," Murray tweeted, along with an article about the incident.
Source for the above quotes is CNN
Trump tweets he 'took a pass' at being named TIME's person of the year | CNN Politics
Edited by Admin, : Fix last quote.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1518 of 4573 (824986)
12-06-2017 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1517 by Stile
12-05-2017 11:34 AM


Re: Is Trump Suffering Cognitive Decline?
To move cognitive decline up the list and say that's affecting him more than the other factors (or more than normal...
More than other factors really isn't the issue. You can recover from stress with some time off. You cannot recover from aging, and we are in uncharted territory with Trump. No older man has ever taken the office. Trump is a year older than Reagen was when first elected, and we know how that turned out...
Not evidence? You are right. The article puts forth very little, and I offer even less. But the idea is still worth watching out for all the same.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1544 of 4573 (825347)
12-13-2017 2:16 PM


Trump's "glass half full"
After giving a full endorsement to Roy Moore and dragging most of the rest of his party into doing the same, Trump tweets the following:
quote:
Hours after Republican Roy Moore lost the Senate election to Doug Jones, President Trump tweeted "I was right" despite endorsing Moore. The president explained that he originally backed Luther Strange because he knew Roy Moore could not win the General Election.
Of course, we all recall that after endorsing Strange, Trump was pretty pissed at McConnell for convincing him to back a loser and that Trump immediately jumped on the Moore bandwagon. Trump now has the sack to take credit for prescience.
Subtract the spin, and what we have here is that Trump backed two losers when he could easily have stayed on the sidelines and gotten the same result. Plus his backing of Moore has resulted in a spotlight being shined on Trump's own harassment of women. That's not a win by any stretch.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1554 of 4573 (825394)
12-14-2017 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1542 by Percy
12-13-2017 12:01 PM


Re: Accusers Call for Congressional Investigation
This is not a case of a state rejecting Trumpian values, but of a large turnout just barely managing a win in a state that mostly supports lies, deceit, misogyny, racism and ignoring constitutional law. And there would have been no win had it not been for the added dimension of a scandal involving young girls.
I think you are missing the place wherein the hope lies. What is encouraging is the turnout for Democrats which is head and shoulders above what we've seen in off-cycle elections. The win, which as you say, may not result in a second term for Jones is icing.
I would speak similarly regarding the elections in Virginia, which the Democrats won handily, and the past election in Georgia in which the Democratic candidate lost. And there are other examples that can be cited, like the past election in Tulsa.
Yes, it is still the case that recognition that Trump is unsuitable is slow among his base, but even there, Trump appears to be suffering the death of a thousand cuts. Trump's core support is very strong and includes some number of folks we should never expect to change. But Trump's approval rating among Republicans is well out of that mid eighty to ninety range it was at just a month ago.
I totally agree with your assessment of what went on in Alabama. But I think your remarks miss something pretty important. And in the short term, even 1 less Republican Senator, something that won't happen until after Christmas, is a good thing.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1559 of 4573 (825485)
12-15-2017 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1558 by Percy
12-15-2017 9:37 AM


Re: The Biggest Pinocchios of 2017
om Perez, Democratic National Committee Chairman: Tax benefits for colleges and students were killed to give a tax break to private jet owners
Okay, where is the lie here?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1561 of 4573 (825516)
12-15-2017 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1560 by Percy
12-15-2017 1:54 PM


Re: The Biggest Pinocchios of 2017
nally mentioning this just so you know, some issue with your pointing device causes you to very frequently miss the first character of a quote.
It's not the pointer. It's strictly my use of the pointer. Is the error of some import?
There's no actual connection in the tax bill between college related tax benefits and taxes on private jets.
Even if there were, the amount of money involved is so tiny as to affect only a single student at a premier university.
In short, calling the original statement a lie is pretty much indefensible. There is no reason for taking the benefit away other than to try to lessen the impact of the entire tax bill on the deficit.
I suspect that someone is trying to make the list l appear a bit less partisan by making sure there are a number of "lefty" lies on the list. I am not impressed.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 1563 of 4573 (825542)
12-15-2017 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1562 by Percy
12-15-2017 3:31 PM


Re: The Biggest Pinocchios of 2017
I agree with that last sentence, but about the first, there was no connection in the Senate tax bill version between college related tax benefits and taxes on jet planes, but DNC chairman Tom Perez said there was.
No, that's not what he said. His statement was not intended to be taken to imply a direct one to one correspondence. His statement would apply to any tax break or to any class of rich folks who are getting tax breaks.
Not a lie at all.
ABE:
The provision for taxing grad students did not make it into the reconciled legislation according to what I read minutes ago on CNN. The provision was not in the Senate bill and apparently did not make it into the bill that will be voted on to go to the president's desk.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 1571 of 4573 (825781)
12-17-2017 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1567 by Percy
12-16-2017 11:36 AM


Re: The Biggest Pinocchios of 2017
It looks innocuous and deserving of maybe a single Pinocchio for getting it wrong that private jet owners received a tax break.
Sigh. Jet owners was surely meant as a euphemism for "really rich folks". No direct connection between tax benefits was ever intended.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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