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Topic: Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
So now you are revising what you said. So you are now saying:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. Is that correct?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
You agree that you said:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. I just want to make sure that is what you said.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
No, your explanation was nonsense and circular. However we will walk through what you actually said. Are you ready to do so? Just to be sure, you said:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. Is that correct?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
So you said:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. You agree that:
Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. Is that true?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
Let's just take it one step at a time. You said:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. You agree that:
Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. Is that true?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
Let's just take it one step at a time. You said:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. You agree that:
Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. Is that true? You then replied:
So YES, that IS what I said. Now let us move one step further. You have agreed that "Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing." Does God know what we will do?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
Let's just take it one step at a time. You said:
There is a difference between free will and will power. Will power is how much effort you exert into making a choice. Free will is simply the ability to exert will power. You can exert how ever much you have the effort to exert. Through those choices, you can influence the world to achieve your goals. Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. You agree that:
Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing. Is that true? You then replied:
So YES, that IS what I said. Now let us move one step further. You have agreed that "Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing." Does God know what we will do? So you answered:
Well, of course. So just to be sure, you agree that - God knows what we will do.
- we can do nothing that God has restricted us from doing.
Did God create all that is, seen and unseen?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
So just to be sure, you agree that - God knows what we will do.
- we can do nothing that God has restricted us from doing.
Did God create all that is, seen and unseen? To which you replied:
God created everything, but he did not define our character. So do you agree that:
- God knows what we will do.
- we can do nothing that God has restricted us from doing.
- God created everything.
- Everything includes everyone.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
jar asked:
- God knows what we will do.
- we can do nothing that God has restricted us from doing.
- God created everything.
- Everything includes everyone.
and iBibleNano replied:
Of course. Are there atheists?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Let's examine that further.
jar asked:
Are there atheists? to which iBibleNano as a good Christian boy said:
Just get to the fucking point. That hardly sounds like an answer to the question. Are there atheists? Found out that IBibleNano is under 16. So I am terminating this discussion with him. He has lots of time to explore his beliefs and perhaps when he is older we can continue. Edited by jar, : add age comment
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 206 of 354 (362327)
11-07-2006 12:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 205 by Rob
11-07-2006 12:29 AM
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Re: Let's examine that further.
I know of no reason you cannot get into chat.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 325 of 354 (822273)
10-22-2017 12:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
10-22-2017 12:16 AM
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Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!
LOL Again Phat, that is not what the Bible says.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 326 by Phat, posted 10-22-2017 1:24 AM | | jar has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 328 of 354 (822281)
10-22-2017 7:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 326 by Phat
10-22-2017 1:24 AM
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Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!
If God is Omniscient and God created all that is, seen and unseen, then God is responsible. It really is that simple.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 333 of 354 (822296)
10-22-2017 10:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
10-22-2017 9:39 AM
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Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!
Phat writes: Can the individual be blamed for denying God? Being angry at God? Ignoring belief altogether? Or is the individual still responsible for their own behavior regardless where the behavior originated from? There is no answer to those questions until you first define the God in question.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 340 of 354 (822333)
10-23-2017 9:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 339 by Phat
10-23-2017 8:54 AM
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Re: The Mother Of All Bums
Phat writes: I can see his point. If I simply give spare change to the creative homeless guy spinning his sign on the corner, and if i am doing it to alleviate my conscience, perhaps I am not doing enough. The position you mention is the "What's in it for me" theology. For the kid you kneel down to talk to it is an acknowledgement that you are really listening and paying attention TO THEM. Whether it makes you feel good or whether you are really wondering if you are going to be able to get back up doesn't enter into what the kid experiences.
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