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Author Topic:   California will rock (economically speaking) with single payer. Gavin Newsom in 2018!
Taq
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Message 6 of 29 (822493)
10-26-2017 11:56 AM


Influx of Sick People?
If this plan goes into effect, could we see a massive influx of sick people into California to take advantage of the system? How is California going to handle this? Countries that have single payer systems also have borders that they can control, but California won't have those controlled borders. Are you a retiree in Arizona that was just diagnosed with cancer? Move across the border to California and get free cancer treatment.
It is also interesting to note that California has the world's 7th or 8th largest economy. Countries with a smaller GDP than California are able to fund a single payer system, so it shouldn't be a problem from that standpoint.

  
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Message 9 of 29 (822499)
10-26-2017 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
10-26-2017 12:23 PM


Re: Show Me The Money
Phat writes:
The only detail is who is going to pay. If its not the rich people, it ain't gonna be anybody.
Looks like it is going to be a combination of sales tax and a progressive income tax. It isn't going to be just the rich who are paying.
The better question is who is paying for health care right now?

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Message 14 of 29 (822550)
10-27-2017 11:44 AM
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10-27-2017 11:40 AM


Re: Show Me The Money
Phat writes:
See? Why can't the US model their healthcare after Canadas? Would it work here or do we have too many sick old fogies like myself?
It would probably require slashing the salaries of doctors and administrators, but yes, we could do it. Salaries for doctors (and probably adminstrators) in the US are about twice what they are in other first world countries. There is also the problem of the ratio between general practioners and specialists which is way out of whack in the US leading to higher health care costs.
The baby boom happened in Canada as well, so I would suspect that their demographics are similar to ours here in the US.

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Message 18 of 29 (822568)
10-27-2017 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by RAZD
10-26-2017 4:26 PM


Re: Show Me The Money -- the return on investment
RAZD writes:
We already pay for healthcare, in a weird way -- through your employer via deductions from your paycheck (unless you are self insured). Why should your employer have a say in what kind of health insurance you get?
I wonder if people would look at it differently if they viewed their employer paid healthcare not as a benefit but as a deduction from their wages.
Some American's obsession with taxes has really led to some bad logic in some arenas. Let's take this scenario:
Scenario A: pay 10,000 in taxes and 6,000 in health insurance.
Scenario B: pay 13,000 in taxes and nothing in health insurance.
Some Americans would look at those scenarios and claim that Scenario A is better because it has lower taxes. I kid you not.

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Message 25 of 29 (838071)
08-13-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by LamarkNewAge
08-10-2018 12:44 AM


Re: Americans make over $50,000 more per year than they spend on healthcare - record gap
LamarckNewAge writes:
he healthcare numbers aren't even in for 2017 yet.
The projected income per capita for the country in 2018 is still just a projection (and one from May 2018)
But here are the income per person stats.
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$62,152
It will be around $62,000 or more it seems.
Healthcare will be $12,000 per person or less.
So for the first time ever, American's average income will be $50,000 above the average health care cost per person.
Don't think single payer will do anything but help economic growth, and keep costs down.
An example about how good federal policy can enable ALL to share in the wealth gains.
I am with NoNukes on this one. The average income/cost per capita are probably not the numbers to go with. You will need to find medians for household income and out of pocket costs for healthcare if it is going to be applicable to the average American.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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