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NoNukes
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Message 151 of 156 (822495)
10-26-2017 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
10-25-2017 10:27 AM


Re: Comfort The Afflicted
I have no problem with helping others, however. Perhaps the homeless guys are different in your town...they certainly don't strike any chord of sympathy with me. Some of them we know even steal from our store.

This is the first sign of a dispensationalist. Few other Christians believe that helping their fellow man is optional.

I wish I were surprised at you. But I am not.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Phat
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Message 152 of 156 (822496)
10-26-2017 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by NoNukes
10-26-2017 12:27 PM


Re: Comfort The Afflicted
You also don't know the situation.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Tangle
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Message 153 of 156 (822498)
10-26-2017 12:58 PM
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10-25-2017 10:27 AM


Re: Comfort The Afflicted
Phat writes:

I have no problem with helping others, however. Perhaps the homeless guys are different in your town...they certainly don't strike any chord of sympathy with me. Some of them we know even steal from our store.

Homeless people are pretty much the same across the developed world. Many are addicted to alcohol or drugs or both and steal to eat and to buy drugs. It's what they have to do, they live in that alternative universe where they have to survive day-to-day amongst the rest of us.

I'm not sure what you expect of them; are you?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 154 of 156 (822507)
10-26-2017 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Tangle
10-26-2017 12:58 PM


If Jesus has an issue, I'll Hear About It
Tangle writes:

Homeless people are pretty much the same across the developed world.
I'm not sure what you expect of them; are you?

Like I said, I would rather help the struggling single Mom who cant afford all of her groceries rather than the alcoholic on the corner. Call me evil, I dunno. I can't help everybody

NoNukes writes:

This is the first sign of a dispensationalist. Few other Christians believe that helping their fellow man is optional.

I have no idea what being a "dispensationalist" has to do with this. First of all, I don't claim such a title. Second of all, I am all for helping where the help does the most good and is appreciated. and yes, I actually do give money nearly every few days or so..its just that I choose not to give it to the guys on the street but to the poor customers whom I have gotten to know. As I said, at our store there are often customers who are short on funds...and rather than have them put food back, I usually cover the cost along with the next customer in line.

All that a dispensationalist is, in my understanding, is one who believes that the OT was mainly written TO Israel while the NT (starting with Paul) was written to everyone. And yes I know Jesus commanded all of us to help our fellow man. My ongoing point is that you cant just hand money to everyone who has a sign. I prefer helping people who never ask for it. There are numerous shelters and food banks to help the others...handing them cash is not as productive as helping a family pay for some of their groceries. Now...if the homeless guy is in the store and is not trying to walk out with stuff, I would help him pay for his sandwich just as I would any other customer. I don't believe in simply throwing money at social issues with no thought as to how it might be best spent. If Jesus has an issue with that, I certainly will hear from Him at some point.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 155 of 156 (822556)
10-27-2017 12:14 PM
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10-26-2017 5:53 PM


Re: If Jesus has an issue, I'll Hear About It
Phat writes:

I don't believe in simply throwing money at social issues with no thought as to how it might be best spent.


That's the oldest excuse in the book - deciding what's "best" for people while they go hungry. Teach a man to fish and watch his children starve until he graduates from fishing school.

Phat writes:

If Jesus has an issue with that, I certainly will hear from Him at some point.


You've already heard from Jesus. He said, "Ask and ye shall receive," not, "Ask and we'll see what the committee decides."
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NoNukes
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Message 156 of 156 (822577)
10-28-2017 11:09 AM
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10-26-2017 5:53 PM


Re: If Jesus has an issue, I'll Hear About It
I have no idea what being a "dispensationalist" has to do with this. First of all, I don't claim such a title.

I don't care what you claim. Based on any number of past discussions, it is quite clear that you fit that label.

Second of all, I am all for helping where the help does the most good and is appreciated.

Right. So, how is that working out?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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