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jar
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Message 1 of 72 (822719)
10-31-2017 5:11 PM


From ghoulies and ghosties
And long-leggedy beasties
And things that go bump in the night,
Good Lord, deliver us!

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jar
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Message 3 of 72 (822723)
10-31-2017 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Faith
10-31-2017 5:21 PM


Re: a bit of history
It is closer to Mardi Gras or Fat Tuesday, a time of joy and celebration. Ghoulies were always there.
It's one of the great Christian Holidays and almost as nice as the Spring May Pole celebration. Always loved that one at St Paul's.
AbE: For the Spring May Pole celebration the school had to bus in a passel of vestal virgins from the Girl's School that was a few miles away since at the time we were an all boys school. In my senior year they were building the St Paul's Girls school slightly down the hill in the old cow pasture. At least we thought it was a girl's school based on the barbed wire fence, towers with search lights, guards with dogs patrolling the boundary and the Achtung Minen signs.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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jar
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Message 5 of 72 (822726)
10-31-2017 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
10-31-2017 5:39 PM


Re: a bit of history
LOL
Satan's holiday?
Sheesh.

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jar
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Message 7 of 72 (822729)
10-31-2017 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Faith
10-31-2017 6:32 PM


Re: a bit of history
Faith writes:
Ghosts and bones both contrast with the Chrsitian views of salvation and resurrection. And of course so do the images of witches and devices to ward off demons. Christ defeated Satan and his demons at the cross, and the witches who consort with them, and all we have to do is appeal to Him for protection if needed, there is no need for pagan devices for protection from them, which are powerless anyway.
How utterly silly.

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Message 11 of 72 (822746)
11-01-2017 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Heathen
11-01-2017 3:45 AM


Borrowed Feasts is a long tradition with religions and Christianity has never found a feast it could not adopt. Christmas and Easter and Pentecost and Lent and Maundy Thursday and Good Friday and All Hallows Eve and All Saints Day and Advent are all simply re-purposed pagan holidays.

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jar
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Message 13 of 72 (822748)
11-01-2017 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Son Goku
11-01-2017 7:15 AM


Re: Samhain
Son Goku writes:
Faith writes:
In a way it's been Satan's holiday from its inception
a day to indulge the flesh
Ghosts and bones both contrast with the Chrsitian views of salvation and resurrection
Faith, it's kids asking for sweets at doors.
Or going car to car at St Matthew's Trunk or Treat where members decorate their car trunks, wear costumes and kids are kids but not on the street in traffic. Then the adults gather in the church for the Fourth Sacrament; Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist & coffee hour/cleanup.

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jar
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Message 15 of 72 (822753)
11-01-2017 9:30 AM
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11-01-2017 8:13 AM


Re: Samhain
It let's kids celebrate, wear costumes, be kids and not out at night where there is traffic.

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Message 19 of 72 (822764)
11-01-2017 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
11-01-2017 11:28 AM


But Pentecost and Easter were simply repurposed Jewish holidays which in turn were just repurposed harvest fests.

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jar
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Message 22 of 72 (822775)
11-01-2017 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
11-01-2017 12:05 PM


Yawn.
There never was an Exodus for the Passover story is just another fable and another adopted festival.
There is absolutely no connection between Passover and any Messianic prophesy; that just more made up stuff by apologists.

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jar
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Message 25 of 72 (822790)
11-01-2017 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
11-01-2017 1:04 PM


Faith writes:
You always manage to assert something that contradicts the entire history of Christian theology as developed by the best theologians.
Yes, I point out when they just make shit up.
Faith writes:
Nobody should pay the slightest attention to anything you say about Christianity, it will only mislead them, but at EvC unfortunately you can get away with it.
Yet what I post is supported by the Bible as well as reality and not just what apologists make up.

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jar
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Message 28 of 72 (822872)
11-02-2017 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
11-02-2017 5:49 PM


Re: Messianic Passover
Again, those are all examples of after the fact fabrication to create a perception of some fulfilled prophecy, not of any actual fulfillment.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 31 of 72 (822929)
11-03-2017 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-03-2017 3:43 PM


Re: Messianic Passover
Phat writes:
I'm gonna call you on this one. Who did the fact checking? How do we know that the textual critics have ulterior motives as well? How solid is their case and who are they?
Too funny.
The facts are what was written. What Faith presented is stuff written after the fact and not what actually happened but rather what the authors wished were true.
The fact is there is nothing in the Exodus Passover story to even vaguely suggest Jesus. It is not in any way a Prophecy.
The authors of the New Testament works though claim that Jesus fulfills some prophesy that does not even exist in the original.
It is pure apologetics.
It has nothing to do with textural criticism but rather honesty, reality and the evidence itself.

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jar
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Message 38 of 72 (822939)
11-03-2017 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Faith
11-03-2017 4:30 PM


Re: Messianic Passover
Faith writes:
Well since you put yourself above the entire history of Christian theology, two thousand years' worth of the world's best theologians, I guess you feel you and you alone can tell us what scripture means since they are obviously idiots and you have some special ability to read scripture they and all the rest of us lack.
What is your evidence that the scripture was invented to pretend to fulfilled prophecy?
The evidence is the fact that the New Testament stories were written long after the facts of Jesus if Jesus actually existed and there is nothing in the Old Testament material to even suggest that they refer to Jesus in any way.
It takes no special ability, only honesty.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 39 of 72 (822940)
11-03-2017 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
11-03-2017 4:43 PM


Re: Messianic Passover
Faith writes:
Sorry, the theologians understand that prophecy in the OT is often cryptic; it takes spiritual acumen to recognize it.
Sorry but spiritual acumen is simply shorthand for bullshit.
Faith writes:
This is so that Satan and insincere people can't understand it.
And that is a really great example of trying to shovel ten pounds of shit into a one pound bag. Sorry but that is simply laughable.
Faith writes:
You really have some nerve the way you put yourself above scripture and Christian exegetical history.
No nerve required, only honesty faith, something totally lacking in the Biblical Christian culture.

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jar
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Message 42 of 72 (822947)
11-03-2017 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Faith
11-03-2017 5:39 PM


Re: Messianic Passover
Faith writes:
That's a big fat lie of the modern critics that the NT was written long after the events. Jesus said the OT is about him and if you know how to read it correctly, which obviously you don't, you can find him on every page.
Yet once again reality says you are wrong. For example, Paul never even met Jesus so everything Paul wrote is from after Jesus died. The author of John was writing over a half century after Jesus died.
You claiming something is a lie is simply another of your unsupported assertions,.
The reality is that all of the New Testament was written after Jesus died. All of the New Testament is written after anything in the Old Testament. And nothing in the Old Testament mentions or refers to Jesus.

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